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« on: August 23, 2004, 11:18:25 AM »
I am new to muzzloading and am wondering what range of optics to look for. My local sporting goods store has a Bushnell 1.5 - 4 Banner scope that seems to be a nice scope. Do I want more power than that?
 
My centerfire rifles commonly have 3-9x scopes on them. What do you guys suggest?
 
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2004, 11:59:11 AM »
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I am new to muzzloading and am wondering what range of optics to look for. My local sporting goods store has a Bushnell 1.5 - 4 Banner scope that seems to be a nice scope. Do I want more power than that?
 
My centerfire rifles commonly have 3-9x scopes on them. What do you guys suggest?
 
Thanks in advance.


In my own experence, I have no need for any thing less than 4X in a scope. I also own 3X9's, but use the 4X setting most of the time. My most loved scope is a fixed 4X Nikon. If it would be me, spend the little money needed to buy a good 3X9. It's good to have the extra power and use it when needed. If you don't have it you can't use it. A good 2X7 is a good choice also. A fixed 6X is to much for close heavy cover hunting.

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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2004, 02:00:28 PM »
I agree with Surveyor, get a good 3x9 powered scope.  Most folks who buy the lower powered scopes end up wishing they had gotten a higher powered scope once they see how well their ML's shoot.

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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2004, 02:39:36 PM »
pmang, make sure it has a parallax adjusted for muzzleloaders. Any scope for Shotguns / Muzzleloader will do. My son has a 1 1/2 X 5 X32 Simmons  Pro Diamond on his Encore and it works like a charm. I wanted to get him a Leupold 2 X 7 X 28mm but he liked the Pro Diamond better. :?   I use a Leupold 3X9X40 but never go above 5 power. I just don't need it. If it feel good to you and it works good for you, I see no problem with the Bushnell 1.5 - 4 Banner scope, as long as the parallax is adjusted for muzzleloaders.   :D
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2004, 04:27:28 PM »
I guess no one has ever explained parallax to me. Sorry to look like a dummy, but what is it and how does it effect the decision on what scope to use?

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2004, 06:27:07 PM »
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I guess no one has ever explained parallax to me. Sorry to look like a dummy, but what is it and how does it effect the decision on what scope to use?


There are scopes made for shotguns and muzzleloaders. They were designed for shotguns and muzzleloaders do to the shorter range that they are used. Here are a few definitions. Hope this helps, if not could some one explain it better that I can. I understand it but it is harder to explain for me.

Parallax is the change of angular position.
A minimal extremum (minimal turning point or  relative to each other as seen by an observer, due to the motion of said observer. Or more simply put, it is the apparent shift of an object against a background due to a change in observer position.

What is parallax ?
Parallax is a condition that exists when either the reticle or the image is not focused precisely together . This can create the effect of the crosshair appearing to move when you move your head side to side or up and down.



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How can I tell if I have a parallax problem ?
From a solid rested position, such as a benchrest, line your scope up on a target as if aiming to fire a round . Remember to keep the scope in a solid position . Carefully note the position of the crosshairs . Move your head up, down, and side to side . Should you see the crosshairs move off target, while moving your head, you have parallax . Unless you position your eye in exactly the same location from shot to shot, you can experience slight point - of - impact shift and larger group sizes .

Should I be concerned about parallax and why ?
There are two separate lines of thought in regard to parallax due to the small variations in values . One is the line of thought from the big game hunting standpoint and the other is from the target shooting and varmint hunting standpoint . In big game hunting situations, where intended targets are larger and yardages are not excessive, minimal parallax is not a concern . In target shooting, when attempting to place one bullet on top of another and in varmint hunting situations, a shooter has need for concern . When using the high powered scopes associated with these types of shooting disciplines, parallax error can decrease accuracy . The amount of accuracy loss can be directly tied to the amount of parallax error that exists .
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2004, 06:30:00 PM »
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I guess no one has ever explained parallax to me. Sorry to look like a dummy, but what is it and how does it effect the decision on what scope to use?




You don't look like a dummy to me. If you never heard about it, I think it is a good question. It is a difficult thing to explain though. I also want to Welcome you to Graybeard.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2004, 04:36:49 AM »
The only scopes that I've seen with a parallax adjustment were 12X and up!

Maybe if you get into the top $$$$ scopes, this is a different issue!

Myself, I'd suggest the best 3-9X40 that you could afford!

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2004, 07:31:12 AM »
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The only scopes that I've seen with a parallax adjustment were 12X and up!

Maybe if you get into the top $$$$ scopes, this is a different issue!

Myself, I'd suggest the best 3-9X40 that you could afford!

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2004, 11:35:11 AM »
Thank you for explaining parallax. It helped today when I purchased a Nikon Prostaff 2 - 7 x 32 shotgun/muzzloader scope. I bought it based on you guys and the eye relief. This is a great forum and I hope I can rely on you guys in the future.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2004, 01:27:17 PM »
You made a good choice, Nikon makes good scope. Glad we could help.  :D  And give us feedback.  :grin:
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2004, 03:02:35 PM »
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Thank you for explaining parallax. It helped today when I purchased a Nikon Prostaff 2 - 7 x 32 shotgun/muzzloader scope. I bought it based on you guys and the eye relief. This is a great forum and I hope I can rely on you guys in the future.

Thanks!


Don't know anything about the Prostaff. Do they have the Life Time Warrenty? I''ve got a Nikon 4x Buckmaster I just love!

What kind of bases and rings are you going to put on her?

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2004, 04:46:20 PM »
The Nikon Prostaff has a limited lifetime warranty. The muzzloader I purchased from a customer of mine, It's a CVA Maghunter .50 cal.

This is my 1st blackpowder gun. The mounts I am using are actual CVA rings and bases. I got the low mounts, not the see thru mounts. they seem pretty tuff. Also they claim you can remove the scope and clean the barrel, then reinstall the scope and go back to zero. I guess I will find out if they work.

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2004, 04:19:57 AM »
If you have Parallax what do you do how do you make it less? I have a 3200 bushnell elite fast focus eyepiece 3x9 40mm and at about 10yards when I look through the scope while its steady the crosshairs seem to shift with the movement of my head up/down and side to side.So it seems if do not rest my head at the same place on the stock every time my POI shifts.

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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2004, 07:22:45 AM »
OK; can't help but put in my 2 cents. Scopes on muzzleloaders depend on how you shoot. If you do the "bean field" type of hunts with shots over 150 yards then the high power or 3X9 scopes make sense. If you hunt like I do and don't expect a shot over 100 yards then a 1.5X4 scope is all you need. I don't like the higher power scopes as in close forest conditions the high power scopes are useless on a quick shot; all you see is forest blur. Now as to Paralax. If you shoot target then you can consider this a factor. If you hunt there is likely nothing of real concern as the difference any paralax problems would cause with any scope from a brand name manufacturer is not worth worrying about. When I get a shot at a big Elk my nerves cause more variation than any paralax problem could.