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Offline TScottO

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« on: December 13, 2004, 03:00:26 PM »
Anyone have experiance with these:

http://www.montanarifleman.com/index.html

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« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2004, 03:04:10 PM »
You asked for an opinion, and I'll give one to you, though most folks won't like it.  I've visited their shop now twice.  And as I'm a very opinionated person, and feel that my opinion is as valuable as the next guys, I was far from impressed with the person that worked the counter.  A gunsmith friend of mine also independantly came away with a negative opinion.

I went in asking for a specific barrel design for a .444 Marlin, using the rate of twist they had in the 70's which was 1 in 38 as I remember.  The barrel maker came out and talked with me, and their barrels and barrel maker I actually liked.  BUT, the person at the front desk, presumably one of the gunsmiths, told me that Marlin never used that particular twist.  I told him that would be what I wanted and he said basically that I had no idea what I was talking about and they wouldn't do it.  After talking with the barrel maker he told me that it wasn't a fact they wouldn't do it, but that for that caliber his machines couldn't do it as they were tooled for faster twists.  Much difference between I WON'T do it and I CAN'T do it.

As upset as I was at them, I decided to give them a second chance.  (As I say, everybody gets ONE).  So I go back.  I wanted to rebarrel a Remington 700 ADL from .30-06 to .338-06, (I preferred the bullet selection to those available in .358 re: your question in another post).  I wanted to have a factory contour barrel to make use of the same stock, have a parkerized finish or a stainless barrel that was bead blasted on my blued action, and sights installed.  The same gunsmith/customer service guy ran a few figures and said that it would be around $450.  (A little steep, but reasonable I suppose).  But what he said afterwards was what made me vow never to step foot in the buisness again.  He goes on to say, "But I have no idea why you would want to ruin a perfectly good .30-06, it'll do everything you want to do."  I go on to tell him that I am a heavy for caliber kind of guy, prefer bigger holes and bigger bullets, and that based on what I liked, the .35 Whelen or .338-06 were my options.  I opted for the .338-06 because of the slight edge in Ballistic Coefficient, Sectional Density, and excluding handgun bullets, bullet selection.  And again he says, "Well it seems pretty pointless to me."

I laughed, told him that it wasn't pointless if that's what I wanted and was willing to pay for it and that there were other gunsmiths in the area who would be happy to help me complete the project, spun around and walked out.  Had he offered something in the way of qualifying that another cartridge or load combination would take elk and moose in the manner I feel the .338-06 would I would have listened.  But never, ever, have I had a gunsmith tell me that such a simple conversion would be pointless.  They've suggested alterations to original designs, or other things to consider, but essentially telling a customer that what they want is pointless is bad buisness for one.  For two, if they don't WANT to make the product I want them to, what kind of effort would they take to make it a quality product when I recieve it?

So reference the actions, I'm not familiar with them.  The barrel making outfit is pretty quality deal, the gunsmithing services, in my humble opinion leave much to be desired.  But then again, this is my opinion only.
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2004, 03:08:31 PM »
I ordered a .375 length hand action #0004 from them over two years ago and paid for it in full.    I was told I would get it in 6 mo.    Making a long story short a year and a half later I still had no action and a customer who was not happy not with me but them.    I had a trip to Africa coming up and mentioned canceling the action to the Montana Rifleman.    They said I could but would have to either Email my request or mail it.    My wife and I talked it over and decided we had waited this long why not wait a bit longer.    
    When we got back from our 33 day trip to Africa, still no action!!  (every time we had called them we were told it would be sent in a few weeks.)     When I called them and asked about the action I was told that they thought I was mad about the delays so they sold it out from under me.    I felt this was a fine way to treat a customer who has bought many barrels from them and promoted their products.    I did not loose my money but did get over two years of false promises and aggravation.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2004, 03:58:14 PM »
Thanks for the reply guys. It doesn’t sound like there is anything positive to be said about their customer service. Attitudes such as those, hopefully, are not carried over into the quality of their products. It sure makes you wonder though…

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2004, 08:30:42 PM »
TScott, there was a time when one of the finest gunsmiths in the NW Montana area was Montanarifleman.  Those times are over I'm afraid.  As I understand things changed hands there and obviously I'm not the only one unhappy with their service.  I hope that you get a good action.  Let us know.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2004, 03:06:43 PM »
Something seems odd. I called them the other day and asked about their actions. The odd sounding thing was... They said they had what I wanted in stock and in stock items run a 2-6 week delivery. How does something on the shelf run 2-6 weeks? Something weird about that, to me...

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Have you considered HS Precision or Dakota?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2004, 07:30:42 PM »
I'm not sure what you are looking for in an action but have you considered HS Precision or Dakota Arms?  Its been a long time since I corresponded with HS about complete gun but when I did I got good service.  Since then they've come up with their own action that I expect is pretty good.  

A friend of mine has a Dakota .375 H&H and he's very happy with it.  I get the annual Dakota pamphlet and I think I've seen them list the .338-06.

Both outfits have been around a while and to my knowledge have quite a good reputation as well as the ability to deliver.  There are a number of others too but the Montana outfit doesn't sound like a good risk to me.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2004, 08:47:49 PM »
TScottO,

I had a very different experience with them. I got in on the charter offer and ordered two actions, both left-handed, one short one long. The long was barreled by them to 375 H&H. I also waited a year and a half for my actions. I kind of expected that as this was a start-up venture and nothing ever goes as planned. You have to keep in mind that Ruger does their investment casting for them so they were limited by Ruger's schedule. The guys I talked with during my wait were always pleasant and knowledgable. Yes I did get a little impatient, but It was worth the wait. Their action is a fine one for the price and will finish nicely. It is a CRF action and their barrel is good.

I got my 375 H&H a couple months back and fitted it to a Winchester LH take off stock. Not perfect but it works till I get it stocked with a nice piece of wood. I did a 10 shot break in, following every shot with JB bore cleaner. The first 3 shot group after the break in was 5/8". Groups run from 5/8" to 1.5". I got mine in the white and will have it finished this spring, probably with a moly finish.

The short action is really an intermediate action, having a magazine length of 3.1 inches. It will house rounds like the 7x57 Mauser nicely and give those who like to seat their bullets of their short action rounds out farther that opportunity. I haven't decided on the chambering for the short action. I was originally set on the 7x57 but now have my eye on a Ruger #1 A in that chambering. I might go with a 257 Roberts, but I have one already, just not left-handed. I am really considering the 9.3x57. I can see a nice compact rifle with a 20 inch barrel and mannlicher stock, maybe a butterknife bolt handle and a cartridge trap. I know the 9.3x57 has an OAL of 3.189, but nothing says I can't seat the bullet slightly deeper.

I am getting off track. I have been pleased with the actions, the barrels and the service from Montana Rifle Company. Their product is good and I can't wait to get the 375 to the field. Maybe spring bear. Hope this helps. Mart
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2004, 04:05:26 AM »
I too jumped in on the charter short actions and ordered a LH model with my name as part of the serial number.  Guess I'll be keeping it for a while.  Just like the rest, I waited until this past October to recieve my action.  The wait never really bothered me because I understand new projects, project management, dealys in manufacturing, etc.  

I had MR chamber my SA for .257 Roberts in a 20 inch barrel.  I'm no expert, but the action seems very nice.  I have yet to stock it, so I cannot comment on actual operation.  Given the investment casting manufacturing, I hope I have not simply paid for regular factory performance.  I did have them lap the lugs and a few other basics.

My only issue with the whole process is that when I called to check on my rifle, I was told I would get a good discount for waiting (and for being in the military).  Well, by the time they charged my credit card the guy who negotiated the discount no longer worked at MR.  My discount came down to only a few bucks less than the original deal.  Not a big deal, I suppose, as their current prices are much higher than what I just paid.

All in all, I'm pleased with the deal.  If the rifle performs well, then I'll end up with a decent custom for around $1000 (which is cheap in the world of customs).

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2005, 09:30:59 AM »
I have two Montana actions, a RH and LH in 9.3x62. I am very happy with them for the money. They came a little rough, but a little lapping smoothed them right. I have also had several rifles rebarreled in different calibres and have been very happy. I had the rifles stocked and accurized at Lone Wolf Custom Rifles. The finish on SS is a polymer by Falcon Gun Finishing all of Montana.