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Offline scottzerger

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« on: August 18, 2004, 01:54:16 PM »
Hey Guys

  I have 3 powders that i cant find reloading info for. Can you help me?

   1. Dupont PB    Shotgun?
   2. Hercules Red Dot
   3. Dupont 700x


    Thanks  Scott z
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2004, 04:02:50 PM »
All are shotgun powders with some cross over use in handguns. If you really expect any help you really MUST tell folks just what the heck you wish to use them for. Or just go to the powder manufacturer's website and look them up.

Dupont is now IMR and they are owned now by Hodgdon I think. Hercules is now Alliant.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2004, 05:30:53 PM »
Those powders still exist, but have been bought by other companies.  Lyman reloading manuals, both shotshell and pistol, will probably have load data in them.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2004, 07:03:25 PM »
Thanks

  I do not know what type of reloading they where bought for . Rifle
 Pistol, shotgun I dont Know.  Also i did not know that the mfg co
 had changed names.  These powders had been found in a relatives gun
 safe. No load data to be found


    Thanks for your Help
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2004, 07:36:12 PM »
good day sir, not trying to tell you your business or anything but before I would use that powder I would buy some more if it has been stored very long. I myself had some in storage for 8 mo or so and had bad experiences w/ it. cracked cases and so forth. bought new can problem went away. I may be jumping the gun it just sounds like it(the powder) has been around for a while. a pound of powder is quite a bit cheaper than a new action or body part. You all have a good one. shoot straight........B
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2004, 08:25:17 PM »
I must agree and disagree with gdolby.  I have been reloading with some old surplus 4831 with no problem at all.  WWII 4895 has a history of problems.  I have been reloading PB, 700x, and Red Dot for years with no problem in both handgun rounds and shotgun.  One of the key items is that you are able to identify the powder.  The next is to find the appropriate data for the powder and cartridge you want to load for.  As suggested try manufactures websites, buy a manual or two, go to the library and you might find a manual.  Manuals do not list all powders so you might need more then one.  These manual may have a section on checking powder.

Currently I am in process of disposing of some (good) old powder.  I have loaded a number of rounds to practice with before deer season.  In my case that is how I am going to dispose of the old powder.  I have been reloading with surpluse 4831 for close to 40 years with no problem.

"Powder deterioration can be checked by opening the can the container and smelling the contents.  Powder undergoing deterioration has an irritating acidic odor.  (Don"t confuse this with common solvent odors such as alcohol, ether and acetone.)*  Also a red dust or sticky substance may be present."  There are other recommendations.  One is in line with gdolby recommendation.  *25 Edition Powder Data Manual Hodgdon Modern Smokeless Powders.  

Like you am concerned about the safety and storage of the powder that I own.  I do check it, and if I find some that appears to have a problem I will dispose of it in a recommended manner.  

There was a problem with a bunch of WWII surplus 4895.  I have a friend who's family of 30-06 shooters purchased a lot of it very cheaply.  It went bad and they had to dispose of it.  I brother loads a truck load of current 4895 without any problems.  It never has a chance to go bad.

I was given PB and 700X by a family member and used it to reload pistol rounds for target practise.  I loaded to manual recommend standards and had some enjoyable time at the range.

If you are in doubt dispose of it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2004, 01:34:37 AM »
For the Red Dot:
http://www.alliantpowder.com

For the PB and 700X:
http://www.imrpowder.com/
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2004, 01:07:37 PM »
Thank you all for your help. You  guys are great.  Going to check out
the powder to see if i can use it for 357/44mag.

 Thxs Scottz
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2004, 02:21:37 PM »
.45Colt:

Thanks for posting the links...they will come in handy...


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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2004, 05:22:42 PM »
Scott
two weeks ago,I loaded some 30/30 rounds with Red Dot that may be as old as yours.
Powder will last a  l o n g  time if it is kept properly.
You got some good advise as to identifying bad powder.
Just don't be frightened by alittle black smoke or solvent smell.
Consider them warning signs.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2004, 06:57:38 PM »
Kragman 71

  Thanks . Wierd thing happened yesterday, i ran across someone in my
 travels who has a huge assortment of old and new bullets and powder.
 They are selling it all . Some really old stuff.  Wierd is finding my old
 stuff and finding someone else old stuff all in one week.

  Scottz
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2004, 06:44:25 AM »
Kragman71:  I took note of your loading Red Dot in 30-30 rounds.  My assumption is that you are loading "Cast Bullets." I am interested in your load.  Lets hear the details.  I notice that among other fast burn powders listed for cast bullets that the subject 700X and PB are listed.  A neat way of burning powder.  * Lyman Reloading Handbook 46th Edition.

Do you cast your own bullets?
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2004, 02:47:34 PM »
Siskiyou,
Sorry,but that load was recommended by someone on a different Forum,and results were not encouraging. I averaged about 2 inch groups at 50 yards;some with an elbow rest and some from sitting.
I know that they would be better with a Dacron filler,but I'm getting a little shy about using fillers with such a small charge of powder.
I can't comment on those other powders;I've never used them.
IMR 4198 is my favorite cast bullet powder.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2004, 03:20:27 AM »
8.5 gr Red Dot, 170 cast bullet, no filler works great for me in 30-30.
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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2004, 02:25:17 PM »
ajj,
The load recommended to me was 7.5 grains,and I tried 7.0 and 7.5 loads.
What accuracy did you get with youe 8.5 load?
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