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Offline Chargar

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Drill press speed question
« on: August 24, 2004, 04:14:28 PM »
What drill press speed is prefered for drilling of holes for scope and receiver sight holes in firearms. I am talking High Speed drill bits..Thanks for any input.

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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2004, 03:17:28 AM »
You Would normally use the slowest speed and plenty of cutting oil. My gut feeling is that , if your asking this question. Are you really ready to drill holes in a firearm? Only you can answer that one, and I mean no disrespect by asking.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2004, 10:34:12 AM »
Dave..I am not offended in the least and your question is a valid one. The answer, is an unqualified..I think I am ready.  Thirty five years ago, I drilled and taped a dozen or so rifles for receiver sights and scope mounts. I sold my equipment and just a few months ago, bought a new drill press. I know how to level and square the work and make certain the holes are straight and where they should be. I also know how to tap a hole without breaking the tap. In the past couple of weeks, I have drilled and tapped several dozen holes in scrap steel, just to get the feel again.

My mind has not retained the proper drill speeds, but I do have my old machine shop manual and using the old formula for a No. 31 High Speed drill I come up with RMPs between 480 and 560 depending on the steel.

My drill press will go as low as 200 RPMs. Is that what you recommend?

I just wanted to check with some of you guys before I bit the bullet and put the drill bit to steel. I am a very slow and careful worker that does not want to guess or go on old information.

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2004, 03:27:45 AM »
Chargar,
My Drill press goes down to 480, and that's been working fine for me. Sounds as thou if you shake off the cobwebs you could teach me a thing or two. No way to tell here if the poster is a newbe or an old vet. No flames intended. I've fixed a lot of guns that rookies did without practiceing on scraps first, I guess all us old farts have seen those.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2004, 08:16:59 AM »
I too run anout 400-500 rpms although I had to go look?  Sorry but the brain don't work as well as it did..  The worst case of a buggered up receiver drill and tap was a 09 Argentine.  It had been rebarreled to a 25-06 byI don't know for certain who.  They had tried to drill and tap it but most certainly failed.  There were a total of 11 holes in the to receiver rings.  I couldn't find 4 that lined up well enough to mounts a scope.  It came to me with all the holes hidden under a pair of weaver bases!!  The bases were held on by 1 screw each.  I filled the miss drilled holes and welded some others.  The new holes were drilled and atpped without further problems...and the whole mess ended up under the mount bases..  I wass so glad the owner was present when I removed those bases for the first time.. He knew then that the holes weren't mine!!
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2004, 10:46:05 AM »
Thanks guys for your help. I have three Lyman receiver sights to mount, one Mauser, one 03A3 Springfield and one Ruger 77II. Here is the way I go about it..If you see a misstep holler out, I am going of fuzzy memory.

1. Level the action in a bench vise with a machinist square containing a level. I use the flat part of the action to hold the side of the square with the bubble.
2. I then then level the sight base on the side of the receiver with the same square. I make certain the base is square with the bottom and top of the receiver.  I then clamp it down with a machinist clamp, making certain one hole is clear.
3. The action is placed in the drill press vise with the base up, flat and square with the table.
4. I find a drill bit that is a slip fit in the base holes and chuck it in the press shank down. I then use this to locate the hole in the base and when the press moves the bit up and down in the hole. I lock everything down.
5. I reverse this bit and just spot the receiver leaving a nice little crater.
6. The tap drill now goes in the chuck and with lots of lube, I drill the hole. Nope, don't force the drill, let the machine do the cutting.
7. I clean the hole of chips etc, with air and a pipe cleaner. I stuff the receiver full of tissue paper and most of the chips come out when I remove the paper.
8. I drop the press table and put the pilot of my B-Square tap wrench in the press chuck. I then center the tap in the hole and with some lube, tap the hole. I don't have much use for allot of the stuff B-Square makes, but this tap wrench keep you from canting the tap, which is the cause of most breakage.
7. I clean the work and place a screw in the new hole and cinch it down.
8. I remove the clamp and use the screw to hold the base in place while I repeat the above for the second hole.
9. Of course, I then make sure no screws are protruding and no burrs on the inside to bind the bolt.

Have I dropped a stitch somewhere?

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2004, 11:01:03 AM »
Charger,what drill press and what size drill?
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2004, 04:38:41 PM »
IntrepidWizard..I have a floor model Jet drill press and the tap drill for 6-48 threads is a 31.

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2004, 03:02:19 AM »
Chargar,
Your plan sounds good to me.

   I just now looked to see where you live. Hey I plan to be your neighbor some day. Was going to move to Calallen but the taxes in Nueses cnty suck! We're looking up around Victoria out to Port Lavaca. Soon as the Kid is out of collage. We have friends out on Padre Island now. Small world huh?
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2004, 03:50:16 AM »
Dave.. Come on down..Life on the Texas Costal Bend/Gulf Coast is fine. I have four years to retirement and I may or may not stay in Corpus. That item is being discussed around my home at this time.

If you are in the gunsmith trade, this area does not have a gunsmith. There was an old gent what produced good quality work, but he was very very slow and very very crabby, but he recently had a stroke and is out for good. There is another chap who is retired Navy, but all he will do is profile and rebarrel match rifles. He won't even think about any other type of work.

Anything I can't do myself, I take to San Antonio a 2.5 hr. drive away. There are several good gunsmiths there. My work required me to move every few years and that is not conducive to anything other than basic screwdriver and file gun work. I have started to reequip myself, getting ready for retirement. I have bought a small Logan lathe, a drill press and a couple of grinders/buffers. This is just for my own pleasure, as there is no way I will go into commercial gunsmithing.

If I am still around when you get this way..give a holler!

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2004, 06:37:36 AM »
Chargar,
   I would fall into the serious hobby gunsmith category. 90% of my work is stocks & sights. Around here there are two types gun work, Seasonal and desperation(fixing somebodys screw-up). I tend to pick and choose what I'll do or not do. Lately I've been doing a lot of adjustable combs and glass bedding. Just not enough work to be regular income, but enough to buy me 2 or 3 new toys a year. If they knew how much I enjoy doing it they would try to get it for free...LOL!

   Last time I was in Corpus was in july two years ago (we wanted to see how hot it was........WOW!) Funny thing was after 5-6 days we started to get used to it and learned to deal with it. When we got home it was 10-12 deg. cooler but 100% humidity I like to died. What I missed most back home was "The Texas Pass" that's cool. Also the fresh seafood just off the SPID we were spoiled quick. Needless to say we loved the area.
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