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Offline HuntenNut

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When you get your Topper Deluxe Classic, what to do with....
« on: August 30, 2004, 12:37:33 PM »
...your old pardners or toppers.

As a lot of you, I am anxiously waiting to get my hands on a Topper Deluxe Classic. When I do, it will be replacing my Pardner as my primary field gun for small game, and possibly turkey (I am not a bird or water fowl  hunter, or I'd use it for that too).

So now I'm going to have a Pardner with no real use. I never like to get rid of any guns, even if I never use them. So what to do?

1. I could do nothing and let it sit in the safe as a "backup" or "loaner" gun, but have never needed one yet and that would be boring anyway. Also, I have a youth model already for my wife who never uses it; my kids will when they get old enough.

2. Convert it to a Tracker 2 (or Huntsman, but I have an Encore). By the time you pay the shipping and barrel fit fee, you can buy a used one. Can't see that as a viable option for me, although I do want a Tracker 2.

3. Make something different. I watched a "tales of the gun" show on history the other day about guns of the early century gangs, like Bonny and Clyde. Clyde was famous for cutting down both the barrels and the stocks on shotguns and BAR rifles. Gave me a good idea for a project for the Pardner. I do some backpacking, mostly while hunting, but sometimes not. I nice short, light fast handling shotgun could be just the companion I've been looking for. I would take the Pardner barrel and cut it down to 18-1/2" and cut the stock down to minimum overall legal lenght for a shotgun. I am not sure what that is, but surely a few inches could be wacked off the but. I was also just looking at those new Shotforce stocks that someone jut posted up which might be another option.

So what do you guys think?

What will you do with your old Pardners and Toppers?

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 09:43:59 AM »
Haven't run into that problem yet.  But, like you, I'm waiting on my TDC also!   Been waiting a looooong time too.
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2004, 01:01:48 PM »
You guys will find that the TDC is much too purty to take into the field. Better keep your pardners ready to hunt.

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2004, 03:07:15 AM »
I just can't get my self to fork out $150 for a shotgun that will perform the same as my Pardner.  Yea, the TDC has a vent rib and purdy wood but it's still a single shot NEF and will perform as such.  About half the shotgunning in my life has been vent rib and half without a rib.  For a general purpose shotgun I actually don't have a preference, rib or ribless.  Both setups have their advantages and disadvantages.  If the shotgun has a focus of a truck gun or a brush gun (like my coyote hunting, turkey run&gun, deer stalking, etc), I prefer a non vent rib barrel because of the advantages a non vent rib barrel has in those conditions.  For a skeet/clay focused shotgun I pefer a vent rib, but find myself shooting more clays these days with my ribless shotguns, not sure why that is though.  For walking after birds all day in the field, I prefer ribless.  But that's just me, everyone is different, which is why there is such a variety of shotguns on the market these days.

If I shot alot of clays I'd probably get a TDC, but as long as most of my shotgunning is in the "thick stuff" where I perfer to use my ribless pardner (and other ribless shotguns) the TDC would just sit in the safe with my other vent rib shotguns.

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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2004, 03:37:05 AM »
Scruff, I see what you are saying.   I REALLY do not need another shotgun either...its just a WANT.  Something else for the boys to fight over when I'm dead.  I'm curious to see if in fact the TDC will be of better quality than the topper in regard to fit and finish.  I do a lot of skeet shooting and can always use the purdy guns at the range.  Like you, I have my down and dirty hunting guns also.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2004, 03:55:47 AM »
Hell, I just want to be the first in my family to own a vent ribbed H&R... Like ambushhunter said let the kids fight over it after I'm gone :) ...should make for a better tamater stake... just stick them sandwiche wraps right between the rib and the barrel rather that have to go all away around...probably even screw a flashin' bulb into the choke threads to keep the critter away :-D ... MTNMAN :wink:
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2004, 04:30:51 AM »
If any of you find you don't have room for your old Toppers & Pardners after you've picked up a shinney new TDC just let me know and I would be happy to give them a good home.  :wink:  :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2004, 01:20:19 PM »
Sruffy,

What would you say is a disadvantage about a ribbed barrel?

Also, besides being a looker, it has 3.5" chamber and screw in choke which make it far more versatile.

It is nice looking for an HR but it still aint no Markle and I would have no problem carrying it afield.

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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2004, 07:51:22 AM »
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Sruffy,

What would you say is a disadvantage about a ribbed barrel?

Also, besides being a looker, it has 3.5" chamber and screw in choke which make it far more versatile.


The vent rib on a barrel does a couple things.  One it adds weight.  On a shotgun you want a nice even swing with, a vent rib helps with that, weight and balance.  On a shotgun that is shot very little but carried over long distances and shot in a non swinging manner, the vent rib, IMHO, does not justify it's added weight to the gun.  Also, in bad weather like rain, snow, sleet, etc a smooth barrel is much easier to dry off.  The vent rib will shelter water that takes extra effort and time to remove.  To some that isn't a big deal, to me with a tight safe I don't want to get any moisture in there, moisture = rust.  Also, in a truck or brush gun, I prefer ribless for the same reasons that most LEO agencies perfer ribless.  Ribless is lighter and easier to clean, easier to maintain, reblue, etc.

A 3.5" chamber wouldn't make my pardner more versatile.  I prefer not to shoot 3.5" mag loads in my weighted down 9lb super mag 870, much less in a 6lb nef shotgun.  And unless I was buying a "turkey gun" I wouldn't buy a shotgun with a 3.5" chamber.  Primarily I shoot 2 3/4" and 3" shells.  Those lengths of shells pattern better (usually, every gun is different...) out a 3" chambered barrel.  So for me, having a 3.5" chambered barrel doesn't add versatility, it decreases the pattern for 99.9% of my shots (assuming I shoot 1 turkey a year, otherwise 100%).

Does it decrease the pattern alot, no.  But why decrease it at all?  And if I needed a 3.5" chamber in my pardner I'd just ream it out to a 3.5" chamber.  Cheaper than $150 for a new gun.

On screw in chokes, I've writen alot about this.  If you do a search you can find posts were I document how you can control pattern density with the ammunition rather than changing chokes.  Unless you're trying to build a 45+ yard turkey gun, you don't need screw in chokes to hunt everything, a fixed mod is versital enough to cover it all.

So if I went to a TDC I'd have a shotgun that would quite likely not pattern 99.9% of my shots as well (depending alot on the shotgun of course), had a longer chamber I'd never use, had screw in chokes I'd either have to bother changing or just leave in the mod choke and do what I do today, and I'd have a vent rib that would make my light little carry shotgun heavier and harder to clean.  The whole reason I love my pardner is it's feather light weight and ease of cleaning and maint.  For me, there really would be no benefit, actually negative benefit.

But if you want one, go right ahead.  Don't misconstrue what I've said as saying "you shouldn't buy one".  I hope you do, I hope everyone does, buying and selling grows the economy, which benefits all of us.  All of us shoot different, hunt different, buy guns for different purposes.  For me, as one person on this board, it doesn't make since to "upgrade" because in my world, a TDC is not an "upgrade".  It doesn't even reach the bar my pardner has set.  :grin:

So get what fits you best, I did and do.  My safe is full of ribbed and unribbed shotgun, depending on their use.  For what I use my NEF pardner for, it works best without a vent rib, 3.5" chamber, or screw in chokes. 8)

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« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2004, 01:14:44 PM »
I'll have to compare the guns to see about the weight, although I can't see it being more than a few onces which is negligable for me. The gun will still be far lighter than any repeater.

As to the cleaning, I suppose it has never bothered me enough to consider it a big disadvantage, but then, I am used to cleaning Muzzleloaders which can be a real chore (the older types). And I hunt a lot of rabbits in the snow with my beagles, so I know what your talking about. Nothing a Hair dryer won't cure in about a minute or 2.

I like the improved sighting capability of the rib and is why I want one. This is a big advantage for me on a shotgun

Also, I will probably use this gun for turkey and rabbits which is why I like the 3.5" chamber and screw in chokes. Put in a cylinder choke for the bunnies and an extra full for the turkeys. The recoil will not bother me as we have debated on previous posts which I won't re-open. I think a 9lb gun for turkeys would be a bear for me as I hunt state land and need to cover a lot of ground.