Author Topic: 40sm or 10mm (Read 1013 times)

smittyhb · « **on:** June 01, 2004, 07:55:38 AM »

I am looking for a new handgun. I am looking at the glock 22. I want to know what you would carry for stoping power, the 40s7w or the 10mm.

Mikey · « **Reply #1 on:** June 01, 2004, 09:32:55 AM »

smitty: my personal preferance is for the 10mm - you can do a heck of a lot more with the 10mm than with the 40 S&W. However, you can do better than both with the 40 Super, which is like a 400 cor-bon improved with a longer body and a shorter neck than the cor-bon. With a case like that (40 Super), you can load high or low and get yourself either a good target round, a great all around defense round, or a lighter end 41 magnum field capability.

If you go for something like the 40 Super, you can start with a 45 - which I believe comes in the same size package as the Glock 22, and simply rechamber with another barrel. However, as all the development work on than 40 Super was done on a 1911 platform with extra heavy springs and barrel compensators, it may not be the best bet for a Glock. If you are sold on the Glock I would get the 10mm. JMHO. Mikey.

Ron T. · « **Reply #2 on:** June 01, 2004, 04:06:12 PM »

I fired a 10mm in a Colt semi-auto that looked like a 1911A1 .45 ACP and found it had quite a bit or recoil... moreso than the 1911A1 in .45 ACP itself, but the 10mm was very accurate.

I believe (but I'm not sure anymore) that the 10mm rivals the .41 magnum in power and is, in my opinion, "over-powered" for self-defense work against human aggressors.

Personally, I think the old .45 ACP is really hard to beat in a defensive (or "offensive") handgun. That big ol' 230 grain slug just "gets it done", decade after decade... and the recoil is not nearly as great as the 10mm.

In fact, I just qualified for my CCW Permit using a .45 ACP in a blued, commercial Colt semi-auto pistol and a 9mm Ruger P-89DC. After years and years of shooting mid-range loads in my old "3-screw" Ruger Super BlackHawk .44 magnum, the .45 ACP and the 9mm Parabellum seem tame by comparision.

Good luck..... :wink:

Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

williamlayton · « **Reply #3 on:** June 02, 2004, 04:27:18 AM »

fuel :twisted: I cry fuel to the fire :-D :grin:
Lets confuse the issue. How's about a 9x23--can load it soft or hard. Velocity up to or better than a .357, if ya dare.
10 mm is a goodun though and better than a 40, ceptin fer tha recoils. Then, as mikey said, ya can load in softer.
Blessings

Lawdog · « **Reply #4 on:** June 02, 2004, 10:24:34 AM »

smittyhb,

Ron T. said,

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I believe (but I'm not sure anymore) that the 10mm rivals the .41 magnum in power and is, in my opinion, "over-powered" for self-defense work against human aggressors.

Personally, I think the old .45 ACP is really hard to beat in a defensive (or "offensive") handgun. That big ol' 230 grain slug just "gets it done", decade after decade... and the recoil is not nearly as great as the 10mm.

And I agree with him completely. Glock is a great choice and the .45 is a better choice for a caliber but if you really want to stay with the .40 caliber then for self defense then go with the .40 S&W. Lawdog

papajohn428 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2004, 11:50:19 AM »

The 40 is turning out to be a lot better than the pundits first believed it would be, but it's still a compromise round. Recoil isn't too bad, the guns are good and proven, and there's a great selection of ammo. Were I to rely on a 40 for a house gun, (I do, along with several others) I'd stuff it with Cor-Bon and practice a lot.

However, I am also convinced the 10mm is a superior round, simply due to its flexibility. It can be a 40, or it can be a 40 on steroids. I am a firm believer in good expanding bullets, and love the 357 for its power and expansion with good bullets. For the same reason, I believe a good 10mm load with 135-150 grain bullets at a good velocity would be the equal of the 357, with a bigger bullet at comparable speed. Recoil with such a light bullet would be much better than with a heavyweight, and ammo capacity of the auto beats the revolver. When is enough enough? I'd rather not have to find out, but what a horrid feeling to discover after shooting your attacker, that he wasn't suitably impressed! :shock:

PJ

Stan_TheGunNut · « **Reply #6 on:** June 06, 2004, 11:47:39 AM »

I have several 40's and one 10 mm. I feel that either would make a good self defense round, but the 10 mm can be a much more powerful round. My 10mm is a Glock 20, it's a relatively large pistol, which may partially explain why I don't really notice any excessive recoil. It's certainly no worse than my Glock 23 in 40 S&W, but I have yet to fire a 'real' 10 mm load from it. So far, my plinking has been limited to factory UMC ammo, which certainly aren't hot loads.

From a $$$ standpoint, the 40 is MUCH cheaper to shoot than the 10, so unless you reload, that may be something you want to consider. Around here, it's about 20 bucks for 10mm plinking factory ammo. I've seen 40 ammo for around 9 bucks at the stores, and it's also easier to find. If you reload, I'd say it's a negligable cost difference, with the powder charge and perhaps replacement brass being the only difference.

strider72 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 17, 2004, 03:11:02 PM »

.40 for a lot of reasons. Less recoil in most cases. Less muzzle flash. Less Price. Versatility in the fact that you can change to .357 Sig and 9x19mm, although you can do .40 S&W,.357 Sig, and 10mm in the larger gun. Smaller more concealable guns in most cases.

mjb · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2004, 03:38:27 AM »

My favorite cartridge is the 10mm. I would use either 150 gr Proload gold dot or 135 gr Corbon ammunition. When I go outdoors, i like the 175 grain Winchester Silvertip.

JeffG · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2004, 06:49:44 AM »

The .40 S&W is destined to become one of the "greats".

rockbilly · « **Reply #10 on:** July 19, 2004, 03:34:23 PM »

Either is a great carry gun, but my recommendation is carry what you feel most comfortable with. Does one shoot better than the other? Are there any jam problems? Which one are you most proficient with? Bottom line, it's a personal choice, take the recommendations of others then make your selection based on the above questions.

NYH1 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2004, 07:25:22 AM »

I read a statistics in "Combat Handguns" and a few other magazines, they quoted the FBI on "one shot knockdowns" with a shot to the "torso".
1- 357 Mag, 125 gr. jacketed hollow points at 1400-1500 fops was 97% one shot knockdown.
2- 40 S&W, 155 gr. Federal Hydra Shok 96% one shot knockdown.
3- 45 ACP, 230 gr. Federal Hydra Shok 95% one shot knockdown with a 5 inch barrel, 3 1/2 to 4 inch barrels were around 92%
There were a few others at 93-95%, 40 S&W 165 gr. Remington Golden Sabres, I think the 45 ACP 230 gr. Golden Sabres to.
The highest 10mm was at 92% one shot knockdown. The reason they gave for this was the 10mm, 41 mag and the 44 mag were to powerful and there bullets didn't expand and transfer there energy on a person like the others mentioned.
Kinda like having a drag car that makes 600 HP and doesn't get good traction and spins the tires hard for the first 10 feet, but the guy next to you with 500HP that get perfect traction with no tire spin at all, he's gonna win

At the time they didn't have to much data on the 357 Sig, but they thought it would be as good as the 125 gr. 357 Mag.

Again this is just somethings I have read over the year's, thats all!! :grin:

S.S. · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2004, 08:02:41 AM »

Ammo availability is sometimes a factor on the 10mm
in some places. Most Wal-mart stores that carry ammo
probably have the .40 S&W. I personally would opt for a
.45 A.C.P. that will handle +P loads. In actual ballistic tests,
the 10mm is not much hotter than a .45 +P in factory
loads. (Handloads in 10mm can be impressive though!)
The S&W model 1076 I shoot is quite a handfull with
Hot Handloads. Muzzle Blast is "SUBSTANTIAL" to say
the least! I choose not to carry it simply because it is so
%#@& Heavy!

Old Griz · « **Reply #13 on:** September 05, 2004, 09:38:42 AM »

:cb2: Sure the 10mm is more powerful than the .40. And the .44 mag is more powerful than the 10mm, and the .480 is more powerful than the .44, and the .475 is more powerful than . . .

We kinda got off subject here. Smittyhb was asking if the .40 Glock 22 had adequate stopping power. For personal protection against human beings, yes. The .40 is a great caliber. (Must be why almost every law enforcement agency is going with it.) Easy to shoot, easy to find all sorts of ammo for almost anywhere. Now if there is a gang of silverback gorillas terrorizing your neighborhood, you might want something bigger, but if not, stick with the .40. (And also, IMHO, stick with the Glock.)