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Offline Simpleton

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« on: September 05, 2004, 10:27:54 PM »
Given I havent fired my brand new Encore frame with .243 barrel I cant say its inaccurate, yet I can say I'm a bit concerned about the tooling marks on the rifling and how that may affect accuracy, but most of all I am worried over the seemingly sloppy fit between the barrel and frame, given the slight lateral play. The trigger? well....if I decide to bear the Encore, given my current ordeals, I certainly will order the custom springs from a fellow Oregonian, cuz the factory 5lb pull won't cut it. The "good" thus far is that the walnut stock is handsome, despite the inlay job where the frame tang top was clearly suppose to rest on what was broke off at the factory, leaving a "U" shaped gouge in the wood. My short and displeasing experience with Thompson Center just reaffirms that American craftsmanship quality is second rate, most likely due to socialism and/or excessive union power. All this and I havent shot the rifle nor contacted T/C. It took me about an hour to disassemble and reassemble everything in this very simple firearm, thanks to the instructions of that fellow Oregonian who sells springs, and I commend Thompson for making it that way. I love the concept and appearance of the Encore, but the lack of quality control just boils me. I will not go through the several month wait in sending a brand new rifle back to them. I will take the beating and dump it at a local gunstore and get back 50% of what I paid. The message must be sent to T/C and all businesses who have a bad habit of letting poor quality products be shipped out of their factory....YOU LOSE OUR BUSINESS!  Fortunately for T/C, most hunters/shooters are convinced that any company who has a large advertisement layout in a popular gun magazine must be worthy and reputable. I too fell for it.  Just remember: the money a company spends on those pricey advertisements has to come from somewhere. Answer:either overcharging the customer to pay for the ads or cutting back on quality control. I, seemingly, am experiencing the latter.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2004, 11:14:09 PM »
I hope your barrel shoot great. TC that barrel having marks in it shouldn't have left the bld. I heard alot guys bicth about the factory barrel. Good luck.  :lol:

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2004, 04:18:42 AM »
Have you talked with T/Cs customer service ? My one experiance with was very  positive and most reportes that I hear are the same , I sent a pistol scope to them as it had excessive paralex and I had the scope back 10 days after I shipped it and it was actually fixed .
A small amount of play is normal , I have 2 contender pistols and about 10 barrels and there is a small amount of play in almost all of them and any of them I have worked will shoot MOA and that is probally the limit of my hold on a pistol .
I have a encore rifle and there is a small amount of play in each barrel , with the 22 hornet I am working my down to the groups I want it now shoots well under MOA , my .223 barrel shoots consitant 1/2 MOA groups . I am a happy camper !
give T/C a chance to take care of you !

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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2004, 10:00:38 AM »
Jeez!  A couple of complaints about the condition of a firearm and you spout off ...

  "My short and displeasing experience with Thompson Center just reaffirms that American craftsmanship quality is second rate, most likely due to socialism and/or excessive union power."

Where did that come from?  I am a proud American and take offense at such ignorant anti American sentiment.  You bought a production quality firearm, at a production quality price.  The cheapest barrel that T/C produces. You could have gotten a fox ridge barrel or one of the many custom barrel makers out there that promise better finish and accuracy.  Compare your barrel and encore with some of the bottom line, production level stuff coming out of Russia, China, or Spain and then tell me American craftsmanship is second rate in quality.  It has more to do with the individual company rather than its geographic location.

" I haven’t shot the rifle nor contacted T/C"

Did you ever think to try to contact them and see if they were willing to make this right?  At the very least you could have made a simple phone call and given them the opportunity  to head off this condemnation of an American industry.  I have always found T/C to be very accommodating and helpful.  I had a couple of wood stocks crack on a 209x50, both replaced without question and within a week.  

" Will take the beating and dump it at a local gun store and get back 50% of what I paid. "
I bet there are a lot of people out there that would love to buy a brand new encore from you for half price.  I would.  Try selling it on gunbroker.  You could probably get your money back.  Then you can go spend your money on whatever foreign workmanship you prefer, or better yet buy a plane ticket and get out of my country.

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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2004, 10:36:56 AM »
Bear_78, I like it, and agree with you. Not everything in this world is perfect every time, but there's no place I'd rather live. I would like to visit New Zealand some day though.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2004, 11:01:29 AM »
I admit, I am drawn to the "one shot" concept like the rest who have purchased an Encore or Contender. In hindsight I should have done more research before putting my hard earned cash down. Theres a reason why bolt actions are the king of acccuracy, they are more rigid in due to their one piece design. I foolishly believed the Encore would lock-up tight like a Browning Citori over and under shotgun, with no noticable play between the barrel and frame. I guess if one wants a solid rigid one shot rifle they need to go for the dropping block type. I suppose it was silly for me to expect a versatile gun like the Encore to be in exacting tolerance with all the barrels available as drop-in. I wish Browning still made their 1885 low-wall model in a popular conventional round like .243, as they once did. The Japanese company that makes most of Browning's rifles and shotguns takes great pride in their fine craftmanship and it shows.
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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2004, 11:52:28 AM »
simpleton

If you wanted citori performance you have to pay a citori price.  YOu could easily have gotten a Virgin valley guns custom.   They would have mated the barrel and frame, redone the trigger and all the other bells and whistles, and you could have had it for right around the same price as a citori, maybe a little cheaper.  You could still send them your frame and have them make you a nice custom piece, kevlar stock and forearm, and any caliber of your choice.  I would bet the quality would be right up there with any of the brownings you are so fond of.  

I have a couple of brownings too and yes they are nice guns but they are in a whole different price bracket as the encores.    You can't really expect a $450 encore to be as nice as a $650-$700 browning bolt or a $1200-$1500 browing shotgun.  I still say that the encore is a very good buy for what you put into it.  

T/C tries to keep the cost down so that it can give the average guy a chance at a nice gun without having to shell out two weeks pay.  Fit and finish are the first things that get slacked off on to keep costs down.  Sadly maybe you got one on the lower end of the quality standards.

I must have been lucky because my stainless encore locks up as good as my citori with both my 209x50 and my 22-250 barrel and both barrels are extremely accurate.  I plan on getting a 30-06 barrel soon to complete the all around rifle.  Its great for plane travel and can easily sit behind the seat of my truck so that I always have a rifle when I need it.  Its also nice to have it in a nice hard case that doesn't take up to much room when loading it in the airboat for a trip upriver.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2004, 11:57:03 AM »
4 posts + ingnorant statements = TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2004, 01:29:54 PM »
Lets be fair here.  Do a search and you will find guys whos Encores and Contenders, out of the box or using simple little tricks like .50 cent  washers, that shoot better than some bolt guns right out of the box.  Remington and Winchester are just as prone to the occasional lapse in missing a lesser quality gun that goes out the door.  What REALLY bothers me is the fact you piss and mona and hollar about what a lousy gun you have......and youve yet to even fire it.  For all you know the thing is a 1/2 MOA gun.
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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2004, 10:58:35 AM »
Relax guys. He is history. Color him GONE.


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