The AWB is up in a few days??

[1911crazy]

With the AWB up in a few days does that mean the states will change their laws too??  Or are we stuck with state laws still being in place?  :roll:                                                         BigBill

[Val]

The State laws will most likely stay in place, especially in California. The lunatic fringe bleeding heart liberals who rule this state are convinced that keeping weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens, will reduce crime.

[Graybeard]

The State laws will most likely stay in place, especially in California. The lunatic fringe bleeding heart liberals who rule this state are convinced that keeping weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens, will reduce crime.

Do you think they REALLY believe that? Personally I don't for one minute think they honestly believe it will reduce crime. I think it is just part of an agenda to disarm the American people in preparation for what is to come. The "one world government" move is strong. The democraps fully support it. The treaty already has most of the more affluent countries of the world signed up. The US is the major hold out. If we ever sign on the rest of the world will fall in line in short order.

IF and WHEN that treaty takes effect the US Constitution is HISTORY. It will no longer apply. All your rights will be gone with the wind and you'll be living under UN not US law. They know they can't get away with this while the citizens are still armed. That in my opinion is what is behind all of this effort world wide to reduce gun ownership by private citizens. When it comes to pass what communist Russia was like will be like paradise in comparison.

[Jack Crevalle]

I couldn't agree more that the motives of the people behind these made-up threats are phony. They decided long ago that that they weren't going to get an outright ban of all private firearms ownership so they started this nickle-and-dime campaign. Mostly with effects contrary to their supposed benevolent intentions. Take "Saturday night specials". These were supposed to be cheap, poorly made, easily obtained handguns. So they are banned. What happens? Criminals move to expensive, high capacity autos that are very reliable. The police in turn cry that they are out gunned and do the same.

[New Hampshire]

I guess the time is ripe for me to get my M1 Garand, a whole crap load of surplus ammo and begin practicing engaging targets at unknown distances.  I always thought the guy from Freds M14 stocks who writes the articles in Shotgun news was a bit soft in the attic.  Maybe he indeed is correct when he referres to the "enemy" aka the U.N.
Brian M.

[1911crazy]

I think if the AW ban doesn't get renewed and if Kerry gets in it will be brought up with things added(more stuff) and it will get passed with taxes and registration on ammo.  If GWB gets in were safe for now.  BigBill

[S.S.]

I have heard some people say that the one world government
would actually preceed(sp) the coming of the ANTI-Christ!
I do believe that is biblical but I can't quote it off the top of my head.
As I am a Believer, I know that the scripture does not lie.
Therefore, I believe there will be a one world government eventually.
Will I still be breathing? that is doubtful !!!
I do believe the Democrats are for it, You hear the term
"GLOBAL ECONOMY" (one world economy ?) from them an aweful lot!!

[MGMorden]

I have heard some people say that the one world government
would actually preceed(sp) the coming of the ANTI-Christ!
I do believe that is biblical but I can't quote it off the top of my head.
As I am a Believer, I know that the scripture does not lie.
Therefore, I believe there will be a one world government eventually.
Will I still be breathing? that is doubtful !!!
I do believe the Democrats are for it, You hear the term
"GLOBAL ECONOMY" (one world economy ?) from them an aweful lot!!

No offense, but make sure you can quote before relying on something because it's biblical.  To do otherwise is to assign a quality to something (in this case biblical prediction) and then rely on it without verification.  

I personally am not opposed to a world government, so long as it's structured similar to the current US government.  Things like this aren't automatically bad.  What if the US constitution was the basis for the World Gov't constitution?  We as citizens of the US are too quick to assume we have it our way and the rest of the world be hanged.  If freedom of speec, freedom to bear arms, freedom of religion, etc, are as sacred as we claim they are, then we should be struggling to bring these rights to the world, not keep our ideals confined to our own borders.  Think about if we got the UK in as the 51st state . . . and were able to restore their RTKBA?   That would be wonderful, and a step in the right direction for us.

And no, even if the Bible does say it preceeds the anti-Christ, that doesn't make it automatically bad.  Afterall the coming of Christ preceeded the coming of the anti-Christ.

That being said, I don't think they're trying to ban guns because of some effort to unite the world.  It's pure and simple: they're afraid of them.  Doesn't matter if it'll reduce crime.  Doesn't matter if their fear is logical or not.  All that matters is that they are afraid of guns and they feel comforted by this.  Why do you think most of the things banned in the AWB are cosmetic?   Because these are the features that make a gun scary.  You take the bayonet mount and carry handle off of an AR15 and people aren't as afraid of it.  Not to mention synthetic stocks, which antis seem to feel just make a gun evil.  I don't like synthetics myself (for wholly different reasons), but I would be willing to bet if you showed a picture of a Browning BAR (wooden stock) next to a bolt action .22LR (in a synethetic stock) and asked one of these idiots which should be banned?  They'd ban that poor .22 in a heartbeat.  It makes no sense, but any decisions made in fear will not make sense.

I say education is the key.  Hold shooting events and invite non-shooters out to them.  I'd also strongly favor making an option for a 1-time tax deduction: you can ONE tax deductible gun purchase in your lifetime of up to $500 (this value will increase to match inflation over time).  Lord knows we'll never get that though :lol:.

[Graybeard]

Oh how nice it must be to be young and innocent. Are you a democrap also? I hope you don't really believe that a one world government would be based on current US law. Not when we stand alone in the way our Consitution reads and ALL the rest are drastically different. You really think ALL of them are gonna come around to our way? If so, they you don't need to answer by question about being a demo, I'll already know the answer.

Wake up and smell the roses. Just in my life time things have gone from pretty good to darn near awful. In your life time you'll see the US make Soviet Russian look like a picnic in the park.

[Val]

A bit of a problem with your thoughts. The problem is that this planet is capable of comfortably supporting about 2 billion people. There are about 6 1/2 billion people on this planet. Therefore all the worlds ills and hatred of the US and western civilizations is based on the have nots wanting what we have. If indeed there were a world governemnt there would be a massive welfare program so that 4 billion have nots would end up with a large part of what you have. Our standard of living would diappear so that we could provide welfare to the masses who don't and have never had the capability to raise their standard of living.

The only solution to the earth's problem is for 4 billion people to be removed from this planet.

[maggot]

Don't worry, I'm sure the UN is working on (MORE) plans to depopulate the
world.

[MGMorden]

Are you a democrap also?

No, I tend to agree most with the Libertarians .  Between the Republicans and the Democrats I tend to lean more Republican, though their stance on free speech, research, and intellectual property laws keep me from fully supporting them.  Democrats are against guns and are pro-"choice".  That keeps me from fully supporting them.

What I think you missed in my post is that this can be a gradual change over.  We needn't be 1 one country that's different against all the others.  We can "assimilate" other countries 1 at a time.  No need to rush to everyone.  First we get Canada.  Then Austrialia.  Then the UK.  Ireland.  Most of Europe.   Then through Mexico and South America. Eventually we'll move into lowe Asia and Africa, and finally the Middle East.  We can make sure that things are built up in a way that's compatible with out way of life.   You say that you've seen things get bad, but with a few exceptions, Europe has made leaps and bound towards a more free society in the last few hundred years.  They were living in a feudalistic society for goodness sake.  We have contributed largely to these changes.  Heck we are the REASON that Soviet Russia isn't Soviet anymore, and is now democratic.  We are still a baby nation.  We've been around for only a fraction of the time that England, France, China, Russia, etc.  have been around.  I see the US as simply the starting point from which a new way of life is spreading and will continue to spread.  People will fight for freedom once they see it (as in Tiananmen Square).  There are just stumbling blocks on the way (like attempts to restrict our liberties, including guns) that must be overcome.

As to the world only being able to support 2 billion, I'd say that that number is vastly lower that the actuall number tha planet is capable of supporting.  I'm also a huge advocate of space exploration, including colonization and private mining.  You realize that 1 single mid to low size asteroid would be worth several billion $$$ on the raw metals market?  With agriculural work shared with the moon (greenhouse powered by lamps, in turn solar powered), as well as moving many manufacturing tasks there, we could support a much larger populace.

[1911crazy]

There is a connection with the bible wether you believe it or not.  There is a lot of references on the net to revelation 13.  And i believe we are in this time span like it says wether the war to end all wars is comming or not who knows but so far everything that has happened is in the bible.  I don't have all the answers but it sure looks to be true.                              BigBill

[Graybeard]

MGMorden, I think we best just agree to disagree on this one. For sure you'll never convince me and it don't look like I can convince you either. I'm just not naive enough to believe that we can bring around every other nation on earth to our way of thinking. Not by force or example. Too many thousands of years of living their way to over come in my opinion.

[TimWieneke]

MGMorden,
The fact that "One World Government" is one of the idealistic goals of socialists should say something to you.

There have always been people living in the United States who do not share the ideals of the United States.  They were first called "Tories", and now they go by other names.  Libertarian sounds very sexy and there are some good people who go under that banner.  Just be careful.  There have been unsavorable types under every good political name.

Tim