After the Republican convention...

[powderman]

FWEIDNER. No one is trying to soap anybody, just trying to teach him a few things. The dumcraps are so far out in left field they are hard to see with the naked eye.
Is America what our forefathers envisioned? Probably not even close. I'm  sure that  several things never occurred to them. I doubt they ever dreamed that killing babies would be legal. I'm sure that they believed in the sanctity of marriage and never dreamed that same sex marriage would even become an issue. I'm sure they would have been appalled at the antics of klintoon, even more so that the democratic party supported him. The dems have led our nation to the brink of moral bankruptcy. I'm sure our forefathers never considered that it would be illegal to have prayer in public or in our courts and schools either.
President Bush is theonly bright light I've seen in the presidency in a long time. It's good to have a president to pray for us, instead of one that preyed on us.
President Bush is pro life, pro 2nd, anti gay marriage, pro military, pro America, and the thing that the dems hate the most is that he is a God fearing Christian, the dems can't stand that.
Now we look at hanoi john and the dumcrapparty. Pro death, their is no in between, anti gun, he's voted FOR every gun control bill thats put before him, pro gay marriage, sees nothing wrong with it, anti military, has voted AGAINST every military appropriations bill for the past 19 years. As far as his belief in God goes, his own church denied him communion for his beliefs. Not to worry because he found another church that let him, uhhhhh, after a sizeable donation.
Only God knows how many more American servicemen and women died needlessly because of hanoi john and jane fonda and the rest of their ilk. If you want to support someone like that, it's your right. As for me I'll vote for GW BUSH. POWDERMAN.        

[FWiedner]

PM;

Let me just state for the record that I have no intention, whatsoever, of voting for or supporting Mr. JFK.

He betrayed America once, and he'll do it again if given the opportunity.  He's spent 20 years in Congress trying to corrupt America and the Constitution, and I don't belive that he deserves to be rewarded with an increase in his political capital for doing so.

As for Bush, there are some positives, but they are balanced by what I regard as irreconcilable negatives.  I admire him for claiming to stand on a Christian foundation, but I feel his "wearing it on his sleeve" should raise a flag of warning.  I admire his decision to "take the bull by the horns" in the "war-on-terrorism", but I cannot support his starting a war of naked aggressive conquest in Iraq.  I do not agree with his administration of the nation with regard to signing the USA Patriot Act, or the McCain-Feingold Act into law.  Both of these actions are direct attacks on the inalienable rights of the American People, and violations of Constitutional law, in spite of what the Supreme Court opinion might be in either case.

The "war-on-terrorism" is something that needed to be done, and would have occurred sooner or later and whether or not Bush was in office.  But just the facts that he STARTED a war in Iraq, and that he has overtly betrayed his oath of office by applying signature to enact dangerous and unconstitutional law is enough to insist that he never hold public office again.

I'm not sure it would be a sound strategy to "change horses mid-stream" while we are trying to combat radical Islam, but the damage that he is doing to our nation in the meantime is what genuinely concerns me.

I really am not sure who is the greater danger to America, Kerry or Bush.

[powderman]

FWEIDNER. I understand part of what you say but to begin with, president Bush didn't start this war. A group of Godless, subhuman, extremist islamists did. President Bush went after saddam because he supported, and gave refuge to these scum. Saddam had bragged about all of his weapons of mass destruction and said he would use them against us. He espoused his hatred of theUnited States and it'speople. He openly made threats against our nation. This strike was preemptive and I agree with it. If a man tells me he's building a gun to kill me with and intends to do so as soon as it is built, I'd be a darned fool to allow him to build it.
President Bush is not your enemy, and I'm glad to see you are not voting for hanoi john. POWDERMAN.    

[ironglow]

Powderman...well said...couldn't have done better..

  FW; we ARE involved in a war on terror! What is this garbage about " naked, aggressive, conquest" in Iraq?
   
 !.) "NAKED"..It was not naked, Old Saddam was warned to comply with his promises he made after the first butt-kicking he got...he was given 10 years and many, many warnings by the US and the UN (useless nothing).
    He even had the boldness to "kick out" the inspectors...while our President at the time, was too busy with internes to do anything about it.
  No naked aggression there, just firmness after 10 years of warnings and whinings..

  2)  "AGGRESSIVE"...When we invade a country to root out terrorists and their bases, we had better be aggressive....how would you suggest we attack...TIMIDLY and TENATIVELY ?

  3) "CONQUEST"... No conquest...The dictionary says that conquest means to conquer a country....We did NOT conquer a country...we kicked out a murderous bunch of thugs and are right now handing the  country back to the people of that country...the Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds and Christians...much more like breaking up a hostage situation, where thugs have held a whole country hostage for decades..
  That's NOT conquering...that's LIBERATING !


 Further; you complain about Pres Bush "wearing his religion on his sleeve".
   Please clarify what you meant by that complaint !
  The Bible tells us that if we are a genuine Christian , people will know it by our conduct and "conversation". (Matt 7:15-20)
  I am much more wary of one that claims to be some kind of Christian...then shows no fruit... and is ashamed of The Lord and His Gospel.
  The Lord had a word for that kind...(Luke 9:26, Matt 10:33)

 They are walking dangerous ground..(Matt 7:(20-23)

  If someone CLAIMS to be a Christian...he should take the sage advice  offered in Romans 1:16...2Tim 1:8...

  You do admit, I believe, that we are truly involved in a "war on terror" since 9/11/01...

  Do you believe that there were ANY terrorists or terrorist training camps in Iraq ?

   So FW; you wouldn't vote for either Kerry or Bush....

    It's easy to criticize...to take pot-shots at other people's choices ..
  However, don't just curse the darkness...light a candle...suggest who in this whole world YOU would like to see as a candidate...

[FWiedner]

What authority does either the UN or the U.S. government have to tell another sovreign nation what activities they may engage in within their own borders?

How many of you guys have I heard yell about how you'd punch holes in blue helmets, and now you're telling me that the U.S. military is running their errands and enforcing their laws and that's OK with you?

What would be your reaction if China (a REAL adversary) and the UN decided that the U.S. should unilaterally disarm it's WMD arsenal and demanded to monitor and inspect the progress of  that demand?  Wouldn't you expect the U.S. President to be pissed, talk tough, and rattle his sabre?

Iraq was still in ruins from the coalition invasion that was a result of Operation Desert Storm.  Sure, Saddam made a lot of noise about getting even, but it was proven and documented before Bush's invasion, and proven afterward that Iraq had no capability to follow through on those empty threats.

As for terrorist training camps, the middle east is littered with them.  So is Afghanistan, Pakistan, Korea, China, the Phillipines, Indonesia, Europe, Mexico, South America, Central America, Africa, and the United States.

If Bush wanted to strike at the heart of terrorism, he should have captured the members of the Saudi royal family and their agents who were funding terrorism from inside the U.S. and invaded that country instead of giving them an express ticket out of the U.S. after they sat in the front row to see their dirty work done on 9-11.

Bush's invasion is all about carrying out a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussein and getting the U.S. taxpayers to foot the bill.

[powderman]

FWEIDNER. I don't believe that president Bush wears his religion on his sleeve. I believe he is sincere and forthright in his beliefs. I believe that he is trying to lead America back to God as our forefathers intended. Bj bill  was famous for his Bible quotes and was often seen carrying around a Bible. Problem was, his quotes came from a Bible that doesn't exist, they were his words, not Gods. I don't see where you could possibly say that president Bush is not sincere in his claimed beliefs. Why? I've seen the expressions on his face and the tears as he meets with our soldiers and families of those murdered on 9-11-01. I believe he feels real pain for each and every soldier that has died in iraq and all over the world. President Bush is a man who says what he thinks, and means what he says, kinda like you. I believe that president Bush will attack these Godless scum anywhere in this world they are found. We are in a war of good, vs evil. I'm not fond of the patriot act, but I don't fear it with this administration. If the dumcrap party were in power, I'd be scared of my shadow. So far, I'm not aware of any wrong doing by the govt under the patriot act. We should all thank God for president Bush and his leadership. I believe that if gore had been elected that we would have already been hit several more times. Gore and the dems would still be appologizing to those scum for building the twin towers too tall and in the path of their stolen planes. Theres no doubt in my mind that we will be hit again. These Godless cowards live only to kill non muslims. There have been several  caught before they could murder. No doubt there are many more like them here now. Some of the scum on 9-11-01 had lived here for years, awaiting orders.
Don't blame GW for  something that the dems started years ago. POWDERMAN.    

[Varminter]

FWEIDNER, you really know how to hit the nail on the head.

But as for Powderman, you said "So far, I'm not aware of any wrong doing by the govt under the patriot act."
What about all the countless, nameless people of muslim heritage that the government has detained without reason and held them days, weeks, or even months with being charged with a crime. They were interrigated with violent methods and severe mental strain. AND JUST WHY WERE THEY HELD
Because they were muslim.
Now if I'm not mistaken that is profiling.
Do you believe in the process of PROFILING?

Now on to another point you made in other posts.....you referred to muslims as "Godless scum" does this mean you believe we should just eliminate the muslims all together and that would solve the problem?

I am a christian. I don't belive in abortion, same-sex marriage or anything like that. I witness to people when I feel the need to but if that person doesn't want to hear what I have to say then so be it. I'm not gonna cram it down their their throats but instead I will pray for them. I believe that people have a right to choose their religous beliefs. I believe it says that somewhere in the bible.

[IntrepidWizard]

Damn right it is profiling Kid,who else attacked us other than Muslims?What country did they represent?None right and that is why they are not treated under the Geneva Convention of which we are not a signer by the way.I don't have the time to bring you up to speed in the world,but start reading.

[powderman]

varminter. I'm glad you aren't in a position to guard anything important, you'd never recognize any bad guys.
These extremists believe the rantings of a warrior named mohamed. He preached violence, hatred, and death to all non muslims. They in effect pray to that kind of God. The real God is loving, careing, and forgiving. Since there is only ONE God, thats why I call them Godless, the kind of God they believe in does not exist. Those extremists are doing satans work and will end up in hell, as those scum did on 9-11-01. I don't believe their mohamed was a prophet either. ALL of Gods prophets performed miracles, healed the sick, cast out demons, even raised the dead. Their mohamed did none of those things. And NO, I don't believe that all muslims should die, BUT, these extremists breed more just like them. Their children are taught to hate from birth. By the time they get to be teens they are so fully indoctrinated in hate and murder that they are of NO use to any civilized society, no reason for their existence, other than doing satans work.
As far as profiling goes, SO WHAT? If there were anybody else doing all this evil we'd look at them too. Some of those scum that flew the planes on 9-11-01 had lived in the United States for 3 years or more. There are more here now waiting on orders just as those others did. You better learn to profile just a wee bit, it might save your life some day.
We do have the right to believe in God, or not believe in him. We can choose right or wrong, Heaven or hell. Choose wisely. These choices are what God gave us all, it's called free will. He has enabled us all to make, or break our salvation. Again I say, choose wisely.
I said before that I believed you were from a long line of democrats but you never commented. What about it? POWDERMAN.        

[Big Hext Finnigan]

This topic has gone from topical to personal.  

Start a new one if you need to continue the conversation.  Y'all are doing well, most of the time.  Remember, topics, not personalities.

Adios,