Shipping guns

[screwman]

I need to ship a couple guns. Ones my dad had and my family wants. One is an old handgun and one a shotgun. Do I need to go through a dealer in the states they live in. Actually they both are going from Ohio to Idaho.

Thanks

Mike

[neon frizzen]

Mike
  AS far as I know, as long as you aren't selling them you can just ship them. Ups doesn't ask whats in the box. But I would ask ups especialy about the hand gun as far as state laws. (IE you insure it for 800 dollars ,it turns up missing,and the question arises what was in there?) I'm sure someonewith an ffl will answer this better than I just attempted to

[stolivar]

you can use the mail for the shotgun, but not the handgun. only dealers, mfg and gunsmiths and ship handguns through the mail. must use ups or fedex. and must ship to another ffl only.


steve

[Graybeard]

Just so there is NO misunderstanding and no illegal advice given here.

You CANNOT just ship the guns to the new owners. That is a violation of FEDERAL. You must comply with ALL federal, state and local laws in making any such transfers.

There is a lot of misunderstanding and bad info given on whether you as a citizen who doesn't hold an FFL can even ship to an FFL holder in another state UNLESS to a manufacturer of said gun or to a shop for repairs or customizing. I've gotten differing written statements from BATF on this.

My personal opinion and the policy I follow is that Federal law requires you to ship a gun you are selling only from FFL dealer to FFL dealer. Sure one opinion from BATF said I could personally ship to an FFL dealer even tho I was selling it to a person he was to deliver it to. Maybe I could have. I have no desire to be a test case for BATF.

DO YOU?

[Questor]

What's the matter, GB? Don't you want your house invaded by the BATF at 3am, have all your stuff looted and destroyed, and try to get your house rebuilt while you're in jail?  Where's your sense of excitement and romance?

[Graybeard]

What's the matter, GB? Don't you want your house invaded by the BATF at 3am, have all your stuff looted and destroyed, and try to get your house rebuilt while you're in jail? Where's your sense of excitement and romance?

Just now seeing your post Rudy. Nope no sense of excitement and romance. Them BATF boys have absolutely no sense of humor. Having them pay you a visit isn't romantic but sure could be exciting.

Many years ago there was a famous case the NRA was helping the folks to sue the government on.

Someone reported a guy for having live grenades an obvious violation. Well he really didn't. What he had were some of the easily avaiable ones that were deactivated and had a little tag on pin with a cute saying. The guy didn't even own a modern gun, monly muzzle loaders.

Late at night his door was busted down with no announcement of who was breaking it down. No one was in uniform, just dressed in all black with hoods. He was in bed but not yet asleep. His wife was in the shower.

Acting like anyone would to a sudden group of black hooded men busting into his home he grabbed for a self defense handgun, a C&B revolver, only thing he owned. The shot him and he is to this day in a wheel chair a parapalegic. His wife hearing the commotion ran out naked to see what happened. Her husband lay on floor bleeding perhaps to death.

They refused to allow her to tend to his wounds. They refused to allow her to put on any clothes or cover her body. They tossed her physically out into the hallway of the apartment building naked as the day she was born with neighbords looking on. She wasn't allowed back in for about two hours.

There was never any basis for the break end other than a false report of illegal activity. No one was ever punished for this action or the way the wife was treated. I never heard the outcome of the lawsuit so am not sure if the couple got any payment or not or even got back the stuff they confiscated.

So nope I want no visits. I stay squeaky clean and legal in my dealings and hardly ever buy or sell except from an FFL dealer. Just not worth it to me. Under no circumstances will I not have my FFL guy ship anything going out of town even in state.

[rockbilly]

I agree with GB.........Take my word don't do it!  It's much less expensive to pay a dealer on each end than it is to hire a lawyer, pay a fine and possibly spend some time in a lock-up.  I have a friend who made the mistake of mailing a pistol to his father several years ago.  It cost him over 10K to stay out of jail.  He spent several years on probation, and I understand he still has an occasional visit from the ATF folks. Course, if you want and need vistors that may be the way to get em..........

[Norwester]

Jackfish just posted this on another site,pretty much covers it.
http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html

[unspellable]

In the incident that Graybeard refers to, the information the BATF acted one was not false.  It was more a case of gross over reaction on their part.  The guy had a couple of those dummy pineapples you see at gunshows for paper weights.  At the same time he had some black powder to feed the cap & ball revolver.  The BATF some how had true information to the effect that he had these items.  They construed the simaltaneous possesion of the dummy pineapples and the black powder as being in possesion of the fixings for a destructive weapon.  (He was gonna stuff the dummy pineapples with the powder?)

The BATF has a long history of this sort of abuse.  Several people predicted there would be events like Ruby Ridge and Waco long before they happened.

If you trace the history of the then ATF, in the 1950's moonshining went into a serious slump.  This left a lot of still busting agents with no work.  This was when the ATF started cranking up fire arms enforcement in order to justify their budget.  It marked the beginning of the modern "gun control" movement.

For my money, the ATF is a collection of cowboys and should be disbanded.

[screwman]

I sure appreciate the info, but my sister decided to take the chance and just ship 'em.

Mike

[Graybeard]

Seriously dumb. All packages shipped USPS are supposedly x-rayed these days. As a non dealer you can't ship that way legally. So if they shipped that way she very well may spent time in prison. Dunno about UPS and FEDEX policies on this. But if at any point along the way they are checked some prison time will result.

You should also be aware the federal government does monitor this site and likely all other such sites. It is regularly visited by folks from the Pentagon, FBI, BATF and other agencies. If you think they can't track down anyone who has posted anything on any site you'd be wrong.

I'd never ever have come back and posted that last comment.