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need a load for the new Barnes TSX in 243, 85 gr
« on: September 28, 2004, 06:24:12 AM »
thinking this would make a great round for Black bear this fall, but need a good starting point, to work up a load, thanks in advance, R
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need a load for the new Barnes TSX in 243,
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 05:42:15 PM »
well first thing i will say is good luck i all so am going with one but im going to use the 100 partitons an all so will have a 44 mag with 300xtps in it i dont know for sure if a 243 is enough to put a bear down clean thats why i am taken the pistol all so but i would really go heavyer if i was you  
an take a back up cannon lol

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TOOK MY FIRST WITH A 30-30
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 05:47:20 PM »
the 30-30 with a good shot dropped clean and the silvertips dont expand like the x bullets, so 85 gr ought to do just fine on the power factor, plenty of powder and no lead to go awry, should be fun, R
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need a load for the new Barnes TSX in 243,
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 06:57:11 PM »
Your 85 grain, .243 load is not ideal for bear.  For antelope and deer it is fine.  

Remember, deer and antelope do NOT have big teeth and sharp claws!

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need a load for the new Barnes TSX in 243,
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2004, 07:16:01 AM »
ricciardelli wrote:

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For antelope and deer it is fine.


That is true.  With all due respect, I'm not trying to cause anger by me saying this, but the main question Boneguru stated is are there any loads for the TSX that would give good performance for black bear hunting:  I'm presuming velocity, energy, accuracy, etc.

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Your 85 grain, .243 load is not ideal for bear.


Don't worry too much about this one, as I heard of one guy from this forum who said he knows a woman who took a relatively large bull elk with a 243 Win, loaded with a 95gr. Nosler Partition.  And from what I've heard, elk can be harder to kill than a black bear, although bears have thicker muscles, and heavier bones.  But remember, the key is ALWAYS bullet placement.  The effects of the bullet on the VITAL organs is what kills the animal, it does not always call for the "knock-you-out-of-your-socks-power" syndrome.  SO, if a 95 gr. lead core bullet, which expands into a blunt blob metal on the frontal side can do the job on an elk, a solid COPPER X bullet which has teeth of it's own (opens to four SHARP petals) and it's incredible integrity will surely make up for it's lighter weight for black bears.  The Barnes manual says many hunters primarliy select lighter bullets for their hunting purposes.  This in turn increases the velocity for flatter trajectories, and more energy.  That is due to the extra weight  retention (don't have to worry about too much weight shedding off the bullet during expansion) and penetration provided by the X bullets.  If you haven't read about my experiences with the TSXs, check it out in the "Bolt Action Rifles" section under the heading: Ultimate Barnes X Test.  It is kind of near the bottom now.  That is living proof about the toughness of those X bullets.  And most if not all Barnes X users report pass-thrus on their trophies.  That is my take on this issue of "capability."  Anybody else want to add on, or, being I am not a hunter yet, correct any innaccuracies I may have placed here due to my inexperience?  I only have a somewhat vast experience in reloading, bullet research, and trying to find the right load for my guns that offers the best all-around velocity/accuracy combination.

 

 
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Remember, deer and antelope do NOT have big teeth and sharp claws!


Right, that is why it is always a good practice to pack a good sidearm for those probabilities.  Consider a 44 mag, 454 Casull, or even a 41 mag with a good bullet/load combo.  And when I am able to start the hunting experiences of my life, I would not even fathom hunting alone out in those areas where bears are known to hang out.  Thanks for reading to my two cents. :D   Patriot
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2004, 08:24:49 AM »
Boneguru, did you ever work out this load for yourself? I am curious as I have a .243 and have talked to Barnes today about the TSX. As a matter-of-fact, I have just called a company here in Houston to make up a 50 round sample for me to try, though initially only at targets. Barnes felt strongly that their 85 grain TSX could penetrate the frontal plate on feral hogs. That would be impressive.

Oh, by the way...Rangers Lead the Way.
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they gave me some numbers at barnes
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2004, 05:25:47 PM »
the tech was very helpful, as I didn't catch his name I can not give him the best credit, he also felt strongly that the 85 gr would do well on black bear, I will have to wait until I get back to work up a load, I am just going to stick with my 30-30 as she has never let me down when I'm not sure what to take.
I could see that round having potential for ferals, we dont have so many of those in Az, but sure would love to try one sometime,

the proper response is HOOOAH,  will post my notes as soon as I get back and have some notes, R
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2004, 01:15:43 AM »
I went ahead and shot an email to Barnes asking them for any recommendations on the load for my intended purpose, which I would forward to the company selling me the ammunition.

"Hooah!" must have come after my time at the Ranger School. Our usual response to "Rangers lead the way" was 'Airborne!.'