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Offline kevin.303

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« on: August 31, 2004, 06:09:57 PM »
i noticed the other day that Manitoba has a wolf season that runs all winter. it didn't really interest me until i was reading the fur market report in  last months Fur-Fish-Game. $400 US for one hide! i'm not sure if we can legally hunt fox and 'yotes here but over in Saskatchewan there's a coyote season. if i where to try it are the guns i have adequate? my choices are a .303 and hopefully a .30-30. if i'm hunting for the hide i want minimal damage and they might be overkill. i don't plan on buying a new rifle any time soon. i know you cna get 125 gr factory loads in the .30-30 and 110 gr bullets from hornady. one other option is to load 32 caliber pistols bullets over a light powder load for the .303, but the only ones i can find are FMJ, not legal for hunting. :?
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 07:18:42 PM »
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$400 US for one hide!

I would almost come to Manitoba and hunt wolves with you all winter for that price!!!
You could probally blow a big hole in em and still get $250!!!
Just shoot them in the head and sell headless pelts. :lol:  :)  :-D

I recommend killing you two or three and then go buy you a new small bore wolf hunting rifle and top it off with a nice scope.
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2004, 07:23:44 PM »
alas theres only a limit of one.not sure what the Sask. yote limit is. still it's easy money, sort of.

one of those new .204's sound mighty tempting, but i only work part time at pizza hut, so no. what is they say, a champagne taste on a beer budget. well i got a kreighoff taste on milsurp budget!
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2004, 07:49:54 PM »
I understand.
I had my hopes up to :(
I was already plotting my course North :)

Do you know anyone you could maybe borrow a .222, .223, 22-250, etc. from?
You could probally get you a Remington 700 ADL .204 or a Savage model 11FNS or 12FV .204 for that one wolf pelt.
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2004, 08:28:30 PM »
Wolf is a good size critter would a 204 be enough gun?

I realy don't know just asking.

Something that would concern me more than anything is, is there a min. calibure for wolf?

Think if I shot one I would keep the hide. I'm from kansas not to many wolfs around here.

Good luck on your Wolf hunting :grin:

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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2004, 08:29:12 PM »
my cousins got a .223. wasn't planning on trying it this year but maybe next year. might get an NEF handi-rifle. there cheap and supposed to good shooters
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2004, 09:40:39 PM »
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Wolf is a good size critter would a 204 be enough gun?


Wolves are pretty good size, but they are still dogs...I have heard of folks hunting wolf with a .17 Rem. so I think the .204 would lay one straight down...in Alaska you can hunt wolf with any centerfire. I don't know about Manitoba.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2004, 08:17:44 AM »
Here in Alaska I use a 30-06 Handi-rifle, shooting a Speer 125gr TNT Hollow-point, in front of IMR 3031.  Yes that bullet vertually explodes, makes mush of the body cavity.  They don't go far, and only an entry hole in the pelt, no exit hole.  I have a Shepard 6X18 scope, and out to 600 yards, can hit a clay skeet target just fine.  My hunting partner killed a wolf at 800 yards with my gun, after missing several times with his .222 Rem Mag.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2004, 11:31:26 AM »
Gentlemen,
Theres no problem with blowing holes in the hids, You can sew them up and won't get docked much if you do a good job of sewing. In the past i have shot them ( talking about coyotes ) with all kinds of big bore rifles and took them back to camp and put them on stretchers skin side out and started sewing them up, But most of the hide harvesters allready know this so i'm preaching to the preacher i guess. Have a dood one fellers and stay safe..........Joe.............
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2004, 08:12:09 PM »
Ok wasn't for sure on it being enough.

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2004, 09:36:35 AM »
Wolfs in Manitoba can be large, (think doe whitetail) so your 303 or 30-30  are not too much for wolfs, now finding them, that is the hard part. Growing up I hunted the whiteshell alot, we saw plenty of tracks and kill sites but I never did see a wolf with a gun in my hand.  

As for coyotes  I have used hornady 110 (from a 308 win) when I was in the same boat a you I shot a couple of foxes with them and I found that the pelt damage was on par with a 223 with 55gr soft point (I shot tons of foxes around Morris with that 223).  I would have to look in the catalogs but I think there heads for 7.62x39 that are .311 (same as your 303).

Oddly enough I went the Handi route this spring for shooting PD's and this winter coytoes. It's an Ultra Varminter in 243 I wanted the 223 but the last 2 years at least they have been hard to come by the 243 showed up first. But I just go a notice from SIR that the 223 that I had back ordered (just over a year ago)has just come in, 350$c if memory serves.  

Just be aware the can take a bit of work to get to shoot right. I have got mine to shoot to just over an inch(after a fair bit of tweeking) but it still needs a trigger job.  If your a tinker than it is a good bet for a cheap entry level varminter if not the new Savage mod40 single shot (405 - 450 in SIR 's new catalog) maybe better. But I have not see or heard about any in country yet or performance reports.

BTW what did the fur market report say for coyote prices?
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« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2004, 11:56:01 AM »
"alberta/montana coyotes will sell in the $30-$40 range for openers" every wolf i've seen, all 2 of em was in the whiteshell. i was actually worried about my artillery being too much. can't have big exit holes. light handloads will probably be best.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2004, 05:43:48 AM »
The bigger varmint guns would probably be ideal for wolf (6mm's or 25's)  but since your stuck with 303 I would go with the 180gr loads, here's my reason the bigger bullet is will be tougher and if you down load it some ( hodgdon publishes that you can make a load with 60%of max charge listed with h4895)it should give only marginal expansion minimizing pelt damage.  One thing with reduced loads you will want a load that has at least 200 yards in it most of my shots were from 150 to 250. If you can borrow the 223 do it, it's perfect yote medicine.

Just to let you know I am in the same sort of boat, my 243 is not going to be fur friendly. But I don't know if it better to drive the nosler 55 gr at max MV 4000 fps or 75% max est 3200 fps.  The higher impact velocity could cause the bullet to disintegrate and not exit but in the proccess would it transfer enough energy to rip it in two.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2004, 05:48:56 AM »
I forgot one qestion are you casting your own bullets yet. a good cast load could solve your problem.
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2004, 08:26:59 AM »
My sister has a 3/4 Timber wolf 1/4 Husky Mix
(she got him before the laws changed)
and there is no way I would go after an animal
that size with an underpowered cartridge.
I would have no desire to be KNAWED upon
by a wounded animal that size. These are strong
animals!
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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2004, 09:33:35 AM »
A few years back there was a guy who raised wolf hybrids near where I grew up.  He had 7-8 of them when he went to jail, his wife just turned them all loose.  The game warden tried for months to kill them all as they where running deer, and attacking livestock regularly in the area.  I shot one as it was running away from mauling some sheep, one shot with my 222 rem with 40gr Nosler BT @ 3150fps.  Hit it in the ribs behind the shoulder at about 175 yards, bang-flop.  No exit, just about perfect performance, it wieghed 130lbs.   A lot of wolves get killed here in alaska with the 223 and 22-250 regularly.  The 243 would probably hold an edge at long ranges but at most hunting distance, 250 yards for the 223 and 350 for 22-250, they work just fine.
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2004, 11:22:41 AM »
sorry aulrich didn't see you question there. i haven't started relaoding yet although i plan this winter. i have a 185 gr lee mold for my .303.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2004, 05:32:07 PM »
i just bought a 6.5 swede AG42. you can get .264 bullets ranging from 85 gr to 160 gr. maybe i'll try wolf hunting this year after all. :wink:
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2004, 07:23:20 AM »
i've had great luck whacking songdogs  with the 25-06 loaded with either a 87gr speer TNT or the barnes 90gr solid  i've been using the solid for close in calling  and open field targets of oppritunity they will run abit but no animal can go far with two holes in its lungs or missing a big chunk of its heart ,in more cover i use the TNT  for the dogs from 50-350yds there are DRT (dead right there) and as for kevin.303 you can never go wrong with the good ole swede (my opinion), another idea  is to use FMJ milsurp in your 303 i don't know if wolves are considered big game in Man. but we can use them on coyotes out here in the West.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2004, 04:45:01 PM »
yes wolves are considered a game animal here. and even having FMJ type ammo no your person while hunting is a major no-no in manitoba.
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