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« on: December 24, 2004, 01:13:24 PM »
I started my quest in 28 gauge, but a discussion in any gauge will be informative.  I'm trying to work up the best load I can for hunting.

Right now I'm loading 3/4 oz. #6 over Blue Dot in a Cheddite hull with Cheddite primer.  It does about 1250 over my Chrony and knocks pheasants dead out to 35 yards.

I've been looking at copper plated shot in #7 (not #7 1/2).  I read where Don Zutz thought the #7 was an excellent size.  Any comments on this size and copper plated shot?  It should make an interesting discussion.

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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2004, 01:32:44 PM »
I am loading Unique in old style Winchester AA's with Winchester wads and primers, but using 3/4 ounce of either 8 or 9's.  I tried putting in #6 shot using an old Pacific DL155, but they kept bridging in the drop tube.  I now have a MEC Grabber in 28 and haven't tried the 6's yet.

We don't have any phesants here except those for put and pay hunting on preserves.  They say it doesn't get cold enough here for them to breed naturally?  Quail is what I use the 28 for here.  Wish we had large birds like phesants here on the public land I hunt.

I did OK with the 9's at the beginning of this season on quail and then moved over to 8's as they were flushing further.  Now I am going to put the 28 away for the rest of the season and use a 20 with 7/8 or 1 ounce as the birds are running further out and flushing out of range.  The only other way to make that 28 work is to get a few more hunters together and surround and break up the coveys and then get to hunt on individual birds.

I suspect that you will see some improvement with the plated shot in the 28, either copper or nickel.

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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2004, 01:41:56 PM »
Just use the hardest magnum shot you can find. Lawrence is what's usually available around here. Never seen a bag of #7s in my life. Might work fine in 28 ga tho. I generally go no bigger than #8 in it myself. I've tried a bunch of powders and settled on Green Dot. I use 12.5 grains of it with 3/4 oz and it sure does everything I'd ask of a 28 ga.


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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2004, 06:51:12 PM »
size shot depends on circumstances..  4s-5s for body shots when you cant have them run at long distance  and  cold weather , 7s could work fine for wing shots when you have a dog chasing them down..  6s is probably best all around pheaasant shot. it was used by everyone 40 years ago when i was a kid..  6s is used for turkey becouse you need a head shot to stop them instantly but they are using heavy loads..and head is exposed..  so depends on your hunting places and dogs ability..  id tend to go with 6s becouse you will reach some vitals with a butt shot at that velocity up to 30 yards or maybe  little more..and its an average size for pheasants..   7s will increase wing hits, but  wing bones are tiney..at your range and velocity and small payload  trial and error will be the best solution..  we should remember that 7s will spread faster in cold weather..  all this also depends on what choke your using, time of year, plumage, bird size  and your skill,speed of mounting and shooting, and if they are getting up ahead of you..  i think it would be hard to beat 6s,  the better quality, the better..  i use nickel plated, 1 1/4 0z 5s, 5 1/2s, 6s, (4 bismuth for ducks) but they are in a 16 gauge flintlock which is much lower velocity. but knickle plated dont seem to be as round as as  magnum shot..  magnum leads up in smooth bore without cups...  each shot will be perfect with a certain choke, and shot size, but we cant control that.. you have to pick an average for your area,bird etc.. i feel you should get the close ones well..and i load for them. i feel  if i get most of the close ones ill have a good day..  the long ones are good for the ego,  with tight chokes some guys let the bird get out further tho, and this works well for them....  pheasants are easiest to hit when they start off tho for me,, becouse they start twisting into the wind after they start getting speed, and after shooting clays all summer its tough to lead in curved manner..  so enough   rambling on chrismas eve...  and  my opinion only..  dave.
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« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2004, 04:18:05 AM »
Thanks guys.  This is interesting info.  I might just stay with the 6s, but there is an occassional bridging with my MEC Sizemaster.  I always use the hard shot, but thought that the copper or nickle plated might work slightly better.  Maybe not.  Ballistics Products has #7 and Zutz said it was common before trap shooters got into #7 1/2.

It's hard to find wild pheasants here in Ohio too, so I sometimes go to a preserve.  The shots are still not like shooting fish in a barrel.  Last week I shot 5 birds and my Airedale, Star, only had to run one down.  The shots ranged from 25 to close to 40 yards and all but one was a clean kill.  Actually, my load works fine, but I was just thinking about really fine tuning it for something to do.

My gun is a Red Label in 28, but I also have guns in 20, 16, 12 and .410.