Author Topic: Pre Owned Sigs (Read 1834 times)

1Longbow · « **on:** October 21, 2004, 02:48:37 PM »

I saw an add in Shooting Times magazine for pre owned Sig pistols that some law enforcement agencys have traded in. I am trying to find more info on them ,such as price and calibers. It says to contact your dealer for more info ,but the shops around here ,either know nothing about it or seem alittle unwilling to investigate further. Any help?
Thanks --1Longbow

PeterF. · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2004, 04:25:33 PM »

There's some description of the pre-owned program on SIG's web site (sigarms.com). They tell you to contact a dealer, but there's also an "Order on line" button that supposedly includes prices.

Somerled · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2004, 05:22:24 PM »

I find it odd the shops around your area do not know about the Sig program. I suspect they want to sell you something they have in stock rather than order what you want.

RSR is a large wholesaler. I saw they had the pre-owned Sigs listed. P225s, P220s, P228s, and P226s. One can search RSR's database at www.rsrgroup.com. I think I also saw some P229s and P239s as well. I suspect if you go into a shop with a printout showing the RSR stock number and toll-free phone number, a FFL holder could figure out how to order one if they really wanted to. Other wholesalers such as Davidson's, Ellet Brothers, Lipsey's, etc., will also probably have the same pistols.

There is info on the SigArms site about the program as well. I gather Sig will ship the pistols straight to a local FFL holder of your choice.

wiski · « **Reply #3 on:** October 22, 2004, 09:32:54 AM »

Just picked up mine today... P229 in .40 from a local dealer. Grade-2 in real nice shape. Paid $500. After I factor in shipping and FFL fees it was about a wash for me. Maybe cost me $30 more than ordering online, but the local guy has to eat too, and this way I can see EXACTLY what I am buying.

Ordinace Outsellers might also be a good place to start for pricing. Don't have a website to link, but you can do a search.

Savage · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2004, 03:27:38 PM »

The online price for a 228 is $485. Is that a bargin? Never owned a Sig--but have shot a friends 220 a little. I'm not really sure that I like the feel of the Sig. I have the DA part for sure Maybe I need to give them another trial, everyone I know who owns one swears by them.
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Siskiyou · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2004, 07:45:19 AM »

The Sig's are great handguns, but after being used in Law Enforcement they are far from virgins. I carried two different Sigs during my career and they where fired many thousands of times. I was out in the rain, and snow with them. I crawled around in the dirt with them. I dry fired them. The point is that you stand the chance of buying a heavily used weapon when buying a used LE weapon. In turn there are a lot of officers who only fire their weapons at required range sessions. So there could be a few like new guns out their.

I have seen official weapons transferred to new officers as they come on the job. I was unaware that Sig has a used gun program. I view a used LE gun the same as a used 10 year old car, with 100,000 miles on it.

Fifty-fifty hindsight shows some regrets in not buying a relatively new M66 that went to a dealer when the agency traded revolvers for Sigs.

P.S. The saddest L.E. weapons I have seen are in Mexico. The blueing worn off, brown and pitted. In one case at shift change I watched a uniformed officer take off his pistol belt and give it to another officer. It was almost funny. One Officer looked to be about size 40 belt and the other about a 36.

Savage · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2004, 02:14:36 PM »

Speaking as an LEO, I'd wager that at least 85% are fired less that 250 rds a year. Lack of proper storage and cleaning do many times more damage (mostly cosmetic) than actual firing. My duty guns are either tenifer or stainless because of the constant exposure to the elements. Even these should be routinely cleaned at least on a weekly basis. Any blued finish is a poor choice for a duty weapon, and lots of them will have a lot of finish wear, some even rusted and pitted. Most police trade ins I have inspected have had the usual holster wear and the common scratches and dings usually from getting in and out of the car. The internals have been pretty much wear free from little use. Now the duty weapons of Siskiyou and myself are a bit of a different story! I shoot my carry guns a lot. I don't let my guns get in bad shape, if something wears or breaks, I fix it. Who ever gets my guns when I'm gone will get some high round count, excellent condition retired LE guns! I am told that SIG checks these weapons out and does any repair/replacement needed to insure proper function. If the price was right, I would not hesitate to buy one.
Savage

Siskiyou · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2004, 05:55:47 PM »

I'll agree and disagree with Savage. Some outfits do not provide what I consider a proper amount of training ammunition for their officers. In those cases it is "very" dependent on the officer on how many rounds gets pumped through his duty weapon. In some States P.O.S.T establishes standards for the State. I have discovered that P.O.S.T standards in some States are less demanding then in California. Many departments require qualifications two or more times a year. A basic qualification course may require only 60 rounds.

The more progressive departments recognize that training is cheaper then lawsuits. Many require quarterly qualifications. We would fire the standard qualification course and then train on multible combat course. Normally we would fire approximately 250 rounds in a day. This was fast action shooting and there would be a bunch of tired shooters at the end of a long(fun) day. In addition we would have one or more night shots during the year. During the year we would also take the opportunity to train with other departments, and take advantage of their expertise.

Even those officers not interested in firearms normally fired 1200 to 1500 rounds a year in my outfit.

But a small neighboring Sheriffs Department fired twice a year, 60 rounds each session. Sad, but true. Two of the officers in the small S.O. were also gunnuts. They loaded and fired many rounds at their own expense.

What is scarey is when a large department makes a change over and sells it's academy weapons. There may have been hundreds of rounds fired through these weapons every week. These academies will send instructors to the Sig, or other manufactures schools so they can maintain these weapons on site. These guns lead a hard life.

Then there are those officers that Savage has pointed out, I always hoped I would not be with them if the big day came.

Savage · « **Reply #8 on:** October 26, 2004, 02:45:55 AM »

Siskyou,
Good post and good points! We do quarterly qualification, and usually an intense training session once a year. That amounts to about a 500 rds a year. For 80% of our department that's it! The other 20%, myself included, shoot that much in a month.
Savage

wiski · « **Reply #9 on:** October 26, 2004, 09:58:47 AM »

According to Sig, mine came from an unidentified Cali PD. From the looks of the slide (not refinished), frame, and internals, my P229 was lightly used while with its previous owner. With a born on date of 2000, it should have a max of 5-6k rounds thru it, and I think a lot less than that.

I would hope that I could catch an academy gun while inspecting it, but maybe not with the factory refurbish and all. Sig says that they will refinish the slides if necessary, but do nothing to the frames. You make a good point on buying with caution, but that goes with all used (not abused) guns. All the more reason to see before you buy I guess.

Wish more LEO were involved with shooting such as you two gents definitely are.

Sigforum.com is a good resource for these weapons, as this great site is for just about everything gun related. Thanks Greybeard!