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« on: November 07, 2004, 05:24:21 AM »
Netherlands braces for 'jihad'
 
By Anthony Deutsch

November 06, 2004
 
THE HAGUE — The Dutch government yesterday vowed tough measures against what a leading politician called "the arrival of jihad in the Netherlands" after a death threat to a Dutch lawmaker was found spiked with a knife to the body of a slain filmmaker by his radical Muslim attacker.
A five-page letter released Thursday night by the justice minister forced political leaders — including Amsterdam's Jewish mayor and members of parliament — to take on bodyguards.  
The document, attached to the body of filmmaker Theo van Gogh, was titled "An Open Letter to [Aayan] Hirsi Ali," referring to a Somali-born member of parliament. She had scripted Mr. van Gogh's latest film, "Submission," which criticized the treatment of women under Islam.
Miss Hirsi Ali, who calls herself an ex-Muslim, has gone into hiding.
"Death, Ms. Hirsi Ali, is the common theme of all that exists. You and the rest of the cosmos cannot escape this truth," the letter said.
"There will come a day when one soul cannot help another soul. A day that goes paired with terrible tortures, ... when the unjust will press horrible screams from their lungs.
"Screams, Ms. Hirsi Ali, that will cause chills to run down a person's back, and make the hairs on their heads stand straight up. People will be drunk with fear, while they are not drunken. Fear will fill the air on the Great Day," the letter said.
"I know definitely that you, Oh America, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Europe, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Netherlands, will go down. I know definitely that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go down," it said.
Deputy Prime Minister Gerrit Zalm agreed with comments by other politicians who called Mr. van Gogh's slaying a declaration of Islamic jihad, or "holy war."
"We are not going to tolerate this. We are going to ratchet up the fight against this sort of terrorism," he said. "The increase in radicalization is worse than we had thought."
Among measures under consideration is an emergency law to enable authorities to revoke the Dutch nationality of dual citizens suspected of terrorist activity so that they can be deported.
Mr. Zalm said the intelligence service, which already has expanded since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States, would receive more funding to help it monitor potential terrorist recruits.
The suspected killer in the van Gogh case, a 26-year-old Dutch-Moroccan national, was arraigned on six terrorism-related charges.
Mr. van Gogh, a descendant of 19th-century Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh, was fatally shot and stabbed Tuesday while cycling down an Amsterdam street. The remains of the provocative social commentator and author, whose throat was slashed in the attack, will be cremated Tuesday in a public service.
The slaying is testing already strained relations between the ethnic Dutch population and the Muslim community. There are about 300,000 Moroccan immigrants in the Netherlands out of a population of 16 million.
Mr. Zalm said talks were ongoing with Muslim groups over how to avoid a violent backlash against Muslims.
Arsonists are believed to have set fire to a mosque in the central Dutch city of Utrecht, police spokesman Peter Keijzers said. There were no reports of injuries.
Jozias van Aartsen, parliamentary speaker for the nationalist People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), the second-largest party in the government of Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, issued a statement that called Mr. van Gogh's slaying tantamount to a declaration of war.
"The jihad has come to the Netherlands and a small group of jihadist terrorists is attacking the principles of our country," he said. "I hope the Netherlands will now move beyond denial and do what is fitting in a democracy — take action.
"These people don't want to change our society, they want to destroy it," he said.
The terrorist threat left by Mr. van Gogh's killer carries the ideology of a terrorist movement, Takfir wal Hijra or "Repentance and Flight," which advocates isolation from what it calls the sinful world, Dutch press reported.
Chief prosecutor Leo de Wit said the suspected killer, identified only as Mohammed B., faces at least six terrorism-related counts, including charges of murder and "participating in a criminal organization with terrorist characteristics."
The suspect, wounded in the leg in a shootout with police, has refused to talk to investigators. He was arrested with a note in his pocket titled "Drenched in Blood."
Authorities arrested eight other suspects in Mr. van Gogh's slaying and are looking into any links between the suspects and foreign terrorist groups.
Two suspects were released, Mr. de Wit said yesterday. Six will be charged with conspiring to commit murder, he said.
Prosecutors said all are Islamic radicals of North African ancestry. Four also were arrested Oct. 23 on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack but were released for lack of evidence. Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner told parliament the four had contacts with a suspect in last year's Casablanca bombings.
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2004, 06:01:14 AM »
One of these days all peoples of the non Islamic world must wake up to the fact that Islam is NOT the friend of anyone who is not Islamic. Yes some would appear to not be a party to this but rather than turn in those who are they shelter them. Therefore they too are as guilty as those doing it.

It's not just the US but all of Europe who will see and feel this first hand. The day will come when Europe and all those who now deride the US will come begging to us to help free them of Islam.


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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2004, 12:34:25 PM »
Those terrorists are always calling others Satan...Just read the note attached to the murdered man...thoughts like that and thoughts like that put down on paper, can only have been hatched up in the pits of Hell.
   
   Anyone with such an evil mind and evil thoughts could only be an emmisary of Satan or. Anyone with such evil in their soul; an evil that beheads unarmed, bound captives and says they are doing it "for their God" had best make a spirit check....perhaps their "God" is Satan in disguise...
   
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2004, 02:49:02 PM »
I've prayed for years that the world would wake up and see islam for the cancer it is before it's too late. My own neice converted to islam several years ago. The first thing she did was renounce Jesus Christ as her Lord and saviour, and then turned her back on her family. Islam is more of a cult than a religion, they are doing satans work,  and enjoying it. The PC crap must stop. They should be treated as the murdering, subhuman trash they are. Not all muslimsare bad, but their mohamed isn't going to get them to Heaven either. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2004, 03:32:55 PM »
The problem is Powderman while some are good which I agree how do you tell the difference? You can't. They wear no uniform to tell the good guys from the bad and with the sleeper cell Bullcrap going on some ones  muslum neighbor who may have lived peacefully next to you for 20 years is waiting for the orders to bomb the crap out of you. Nope I do not know of any that I am aware of and if I did I sure as heck would not trust any of them or make any friendships. Nope it is going to be a long battle and I fear citizens will be involved before it is over. The muslums want to take over the world and even the good ones have that goal in mind so therefore to me they are all enemies. Some folks talk about just the extremist but from what I have seen they all think we are infidels and their clerics should be all taken out as they are the ones spreading the hate! I can hear our 2 new liberals now. WEll boys I do not hate anyone but I do not trust them as a race and I sure as heck would protect myself if needed if I could.
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2004, 05:05:35 PM »
JH45GUN. I believe as you do, but am refraining from lumping them all together, because I was told not to.  I trust no muslims. There have been too many incidents of recently converted muslims killing and maiming for no apparent reason, except that they were attacking non muslims. How about malvo and the other so called sniper? How about the scum that fragged his superior officers as they slept? All recent converts to islam. I believe their mohamed was a blood thirsty, 2 bit murdering punk, he was certainly no prophet. They are no more than mad dogs, and their mosques are their lair. From there they preach violence, murder, hatred, and intolerance. They teach their children to hate all non muslims from birth. By the time these kids are 11 or 12 years old they are so full of hate that they could never function in any civilized society.
We are now attacking fallujah again in force. Non combattants have had plenty of warnings and plenty of time to leave the city. These are the scum who idolized the butcher saddam. Anyone who supports that butcher has no reason to live. As far as I'm concerned there are no moreinnocents there. We should completely level the city, leave no wall standing. Send in the troops, and shoot the survivors. Except for the very young, the older children are so full of hate they are of no use to a civilized world. The women would just breed more like them. The men would kill you if they could. I see no innocents there.
Extreme measures? Yes, they are. The Israel of old killed men, women, children, even the livestock of some of the conquored nations, at Gods command. They survive today because they take no crap from anybody. They are Gods chosen people, and you better hope and pray that we as a a nation never abandon them, as hanoi john wanted to do.
I do NOT advocate killing all muslims, I want to make that clear. I also believe we need to see things realisticlally and quit worrying about stepping on toes and being PC. Most of the iraquis are glad saddam is gone and abhor the violence done by these extremists. They are killing their own, very religious, don't you think? The ones doing the suicide bombings are at least cleansing the gene pool. I feel sorry for these kids that self detonate, killing innocents. They have been lied to all their lives and are expecting immediate entry into paradise, or Heaven, where they will be attended to by 72 virgins. Imagine their horror as they realize that they are in hell. WE pray daily for our soldiers, our president, and our nation, I ask you to do the same. POWDERMAN.  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2004, 07:40:10 PM »
I think Fallujah would be a good place try out few of them MOABs.
Just leave one big smokin hole and don't look back :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2004, 10:10:38 PM »
Quote from: Hooker
I think Fallujah would be a good place try out few of them MOABs.
Just leave one big smokin hole and don't look back :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

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Agreed! I agree with you too powderman. I am sure their are some innocents that do not agree with all of their teachings but as you said a lot of violent converts also that had to be taught to hate. A  complicated mess no matter how you look at it. I am sure after 911 Bush unless he wanted to commit political suicide had to make his statements about the innocents and I am sure their are some as quite a few of these folks spoke out agaisnt saddam after his regime fell and they are getting killed by the insurgents also. Too bad. As was stated the civilians had time to leave now we have to level the place.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 02:32:25 PM »
WE are attacking fallujah now in force. One marine said, they have been hitting us for 8 months or more, but they've never been hit like what we're going to hit them with, look out, because hell is coming. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 04:12:36 PM »
Take no Prisoners!  :twisted:
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 01:57:26 AM »
Frankly folks;
  I don't believe that all of the people that have remained behind in Fallujah are worth the life of one soldier or Marine..
   I hope our guys orders do not keep them from shooting soon enough!!

   I was heartened with a broadcast fron Fallujah by FOX news embedded reporter this morning.
   
    He was with a Marine OP (observation post) and we were viewing from behind a couple Marines that were viewing enemy lines with binoculars.

    The cameraman zeroed in on the back of one Marine's helmet, to where the Marine had marked the following message with a "sharpie":

                                     NO SWEAT!

                                    YEAH SURE...

          SWEAT AS IT WERE, LIKE GREAT DROPS OF BLOOD!

    It confirmed what Gen Tommy Franks said in an interview last night...
 "It is true...I have not seen atheists in foxholes...."

       I am also heartened to see that the message about the REAL God is present in Fallujah!
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2004, 02:23:48 AM »
IRONGLOW. THey are using fallujah as a safe haven to carry out satans work. Falluja and the devils disciples must die. POWDERMAN.   :x  :x  :x  :x
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm