Author Topic: 100gr .257 Barnes-X Triple Shock Bullets (Read 930 times)

Fred M · « **on:** November 06, 2004, 04:16:49 PM »

Quicktodo.
Bagging two deer with these bullets is really no conclusive evidence. From what I seen on the deer they done a perfect job also no bullet was recovered. They did devastating damage in the wound channel and left the deer with a 2" exit hole.

Rifle Ruger #1 in 25-06. MV 3400+-, Moly coated, 26" barrel, Reloder 22,
CCI 200, Win 30-06 brass necked down and OD neck reamed.

I still have one more tag for a Whitetail buck and will use the same ammo.
Both the above deer were shot through the ribs. To find out if they expand? They did did that job remarkable well. So Barnes advertisement so far is true. More velocity, less copper fouling no more than standard bullets, near BR accuracy and reliable expansion.

These bullets are not cheap, but then nothing is cheap that is good.
What I am most impressed by is their unbelievable accuracy and not much bore cleaning. Of course Moly helps in that respect.

Since I use Moly plated bullets in any other gun and other bullets, I had a good comparison.

Quick, plunk down your dough and get some for the 25-06 Ultra. If other bullets shoot good these ought to shoot better. It looks to me they will do the job.

This is not a Barnes advertisement

Fred M

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2004, 04:50:55 PM »

Thanks for the report, Fred!

Glad ta see you made meat! :grin: Are those bullets available in a factory load? I'm not planning on reloading for the .25-06 at this time, but if I do, those pills will be my first choice.

Ya know, hunters, myself included, always complain when a bullet separates from the jacket. My experience was with .30-06, 180gr rem corlokts on several elk I shot. The bullets always killed the elk with double lung shots, but most of the remains of the bullets were found on the off side against the hide, just jackets and pieces of lead. I always thought that was poor performance, but in reality, the bullet did its job and killed the elk, what more could ya ask for? Having an exit wound is real nice if tracking is necessary, but if all the energy is expended on the animal, it isn't gonna go far, at least in my experience, anyway. :wink:

bilesteve · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2004, 04:54:13 PM »

I've had 50 rounds of Triple Shock in 85grains made up for my .243 but haven't shot any of them yet. This is for my fantasy of hog hunting. Hope to get to use them next year.

Fred M · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2004, 06:52:02 PM »

Quick.
Your theory and your experience with softpoint bullet is quite correct. The reason they stop on the fare side of the hide is, there is nothing much left of the bullet to go any further. All inertia is consumed by the disintegration of the bullet.

According to Barnes and pictures of bullets fired into various density of media, shows that the bullet has not lost any weight nnearly 100% weight retension.

The damage of the bullet inside a game animal is done by the peeled back pedals much like the blades of a high speed blender, except a Barnes-x bulett in a 25-06 rotates nearly 4100 times a second or 246000RPM with its total inertia intact.

The destructive wound channel has to seen to believe. I am quite sure this bullet will punch clean through both shoulders and exit on the bigest Mule or Whitetail deer I mean 250 to 300lbs, these are quite comon in Alberta.

One other plus of these bullets is the high ballistic coefficent, because the density of solid copper is ony 2/3 of lead alloy, hence they are much longer than their soft point cousins. This of course retains more energy for any given range.

Of course I would never shoot a deer through the shouder, and with the accuracy of these bullets I wont shoot many more through ribs either.
The meat damage is simply too great for my liking. I hope to get a frontal shot at a big buck so I can retrieve the bullet measure the excact range and the total penetration just for my own curiocity.

With these known facts and figures a formula can be set up for a particular caliber bullet weight and MV to get some idea at what range this bullet can make a satisfactory kill. Honestly non of this is needed if one stays inside 350 yrds.

Fred M.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2004, 07:38:41 PM »

When the 180grn Winchester Failsafe was introduced, I switched from Nosler Partitions in my .308 Win BLR. I did a test of bullet integrity by shooting into sand at 50yds, the recovered bullet lost a tiny piece of one of the petals, but was formed into a perfect mushroom and weighed 177grns. The Nosler Partitions lost the entire front section. I figured if the Failsafe was tough enough to survive that medium, it was tough enough for anything I shot with it! They performed perfectly on everything I ever shot with it including one monster blacktail buck that thought he could outrun a 180grn Failsafe! Bullet entered right side through the liver(dang it, I love venison liver) through the offside lung and exited the far shoulder, he piled up 20 yds later. From that point on, that's all I shot in the BLR, 14 elk and numerous deer later, it's still all I have shot in it. Hoping to make meat with the .45-70 maybe next year, though, with 300gr Nosler Partitions. :grin:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 07, 2004, 04:30:41 AM »

That's one nice buck you took there quickdtoo...sweeeeeeeeet. :eek:

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** November 07, 2004, 05:58:24 AM »

Thanks, Mac! That smile on my face tells ya how I felt about it! :grin: I had been hunting the past 4 days with a flintlock, decided to hunt a recent clearcut about 1/2 mile from camp. The clearcut was no place for a round ball gun, so I took the BLR. Decided to walk the edge of the clearcut then out to a little oasis of trees they had left to see if deer had been using it, got near the oasis and this big boy got up and made a bee line for the timber, but he wasn't fast enough and got caught in the open. One shot is all I got, he disappeared behind a slash pile, thought he got away, but he was laying just out of sight behind the slash pile....he dressed 169lbs at the butcher's, 140lbs is a big blacktail around here.

handirifle · « **Reply #7 on:** November 07, 2004, 06:20:25 AM »

quicktodo

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thought he got away, but he was laying just out of sight behind the slash

That's why good hunters follow up their shots, good job.

Fred M · « **Reply #8 on:** November 07, 2004, 09:41:54 AM »

Quick.
The Failsafe is a good bullet but only available in factory ammo, and not in the smaller bores. They start here with the 270Win. The sirocco bullets are also not available here for hand loading. But that is ok for me I only hunt deer and almost any bullet make will do a job on them. I have used the Hornady bullets for years and had never any complaint about them,
But I am very impressed with the Triple Shock Barnes in 25 cal.
Fred M.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2004, 10:10:13 AM »

Quote from: Fred M

Quick.
The Failsafe is a good bullet but only available in factory ammo, and not in the smaller bores. They start here with the 270Win....

Actually they are available for reloading, but still only in .270 and above, unfortunately. I have enough of the 180gr for a few years hunting, but they don't make it anymore, the only factory .308 failsafes I can find are the 150gr. I'll probably be switching again sooner or later.....Maybe the Triple Shocks will be available in factory loads someday.

http://www.nosler.com/chartfailsafe.html

Mac11700 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2004, 06:50:21 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo

Quote from: Fred M
Quick.
The Failsafe is a good bullet but only available in factory ammo, and not in the smaller bores. They start here with the 270Win....

Actually they are available for reloading, but still only in .270 and above, unfortunately. I have enough of the 180gr for a few years hunting, but they don't make it anymore, the only factory .308 failsafes I can find are the 150gr. I'll probably be switching again sooner or later.....Maybe the Triple Shocks will be available in factory loads someday.

http://www.nosler.com/chartfailsafe.html

Actually...Midsouthshooters supply company has the 180 grain CT Failsafes listed for $29.29 a box...http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0011553180

And Someday is now...http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00129P308V

Aren't we lucky :wink:

Hope that helps

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2004, 06:58:52 PM »

Mac, thanks, but I meant the 180gr Winchester factory loads aren't available anymore, only 150gr and I'm not even sure that's available as they aren't listed on the Winchester site anymore. It would be nice if the 180gr TSX was available instead of just the 150gr in the Federal loads. At least the 180gr Nosler Partitions are still available. :grin:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2004, 07:03:34 PM »

Quickdtoo:

Does it have to be factory ammo??

If it does...how about a nice in between loading that has a great reputation....

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00129P308T1

I'll be trying out a box of 150 grainers in these in my new 308 Handi...I'll see if they are accurate...since I already picked up a box of the bullets for Handloading...and I also got a couple boxes of the 150 grain triple shocks to load up...no factory fodder in them yet...and before it's all said and done I'll definatly try some of the Failsafes as well...just need some good deer loads right now...

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2004, 07:44:46 PM »

I've thought about the 165gr loads, but never tried em. I bought several boxes of the 180grn Win Failsafes several years ago cuz I really liked em, but I only have about a box or two left....maybe shootin the .45-70 will help make em last a few more years! :wink:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2004, 09:27:16 PM »

quickdtoo:

Couldn't hurt

Mac

Fred M · « **Reply #15 on:** November 08, 2004, 03:07:48 AM »

Quick
Safe them for Elk. The old type Bitterroot bonded core where perhaps close to the same. They were hand made and did well on Elk.

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I'll have to agree w/ Ray, the FailSafe is great for the Big animals but performs terribly on the smaller critters.

I've seen them fail (make tiny hole in and out or "pencil") on several good size Whitetails but, I've seen them do great on a Good size Bull Elk.

If you look on the side of Winchesters Factory Loaded FailSafe box, it says they are intended for very Large Dangerous game, IMO thats what they should be used for.

Good Luck!

Reloader

quickdtoo · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2004, 05:14:05 AM »

Actually, since I started using the failsafes, I've killed more elk than deer with em, but none of em ever needed more than one shot. A big doe was the last to fall last season, one shot thru the ribs at 25yds, she ran about 80 yds leaving a nice blood trail. No head/neck shot, tree in the way. :cry: