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« on: November 14, 2004, 08:01:43 AM »
Theo Van Gogh, a distant grandson of Vincent Van Gogh, made a movie depicting the poor treatment of Mos'lem women by their menfolk. Well, certain of these menfolk didn't like it; so they tracked down Theo shot him six times, stabbed him, then slit his throat, and knifed a 5 page letter into his body. The Dutch people are very, very upset and are preparing to  counter further terrorism. In fact, the Dutch governement wants to immediately end their open immigration policy and deport 26,000 Mos'lem immigrants!!!

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Alleged radical chief vanished, Dutch say
Authorities probe Islamic militants in wake of filmmakerÂ’s murderThe Associated Press
Updated: 6:26 a.m. ET Nov. 14, 2004AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - Dutch authorities have confirmed that 13 young Muslims arrested on terrorism charges in the Netherlands after the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh are members of a radical Islamic group with international links and a Syrian-born spiritual leader.

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Dutch intelligence calls the group the “Hofstad Netwerk,” and a Justice Ministry official says 43-year-old Syrian Redouan al-Issar, the alleged spiritual leader, has disappeared without a trace.

Van Gogh was ritually slaughtered on an Amsterdam street Nov. 2, apparently for criticizing Islam. His killing set off a wave of reprisals— attacks on more than 20 Islamic sites in the Netherlands, including a mosque which was gutted by fire early Saturday.

Van GoghÂ’s alleged killer, 26-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri, of Amsterdam, was arrested in a shootout with police minutes after the filmmaker died of gunshot wounds and a slit throat. Bouyeri had a will in his pocket saying he was prepared to die for Islamic jihad, or holy war.

Government under pressure
In the days that followed, the government has come under pressure to release details about Islamic radicals and terrorist recruiting in the Netherlands.

In a letter and notes sent to parliament Thursday, Interior Minister Johan Remkes, who oversees the secret service, gave the clearest picture yet of the Dutch cell allegedly behind Van GoghÂ’s murder.

Remkes said the Hofstad Network, composed mostly of young Dutch Muslims of North African ancestry, has links to networks in Spain and Belgium; that several members of the group have traveled to Pakistan for training; and that its members were under the influence of al-Issar for many years.

“The number of persons and networks in the Netherlands that thinks and acts in terms of actual violence is, in our opinion, limited,” he wrote. “But the feeding ground from which they spring, is broader ... it’s better to think in terms of thousands than hundreds,” he said.

Al-Issar went by several names, including “Abu Kaled,” the Justice Ministry official said. The same name is used by al-Qaida fugitive Muhammad Bahaiah, a courier between Osama bin Laden and European cells.

Al-Issar had sought asylum in Germany beginning in 1995, but has not been seen there since May 2004, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday.

Remkes said the Dutch secret service realized in the Spring of 2003 that al-Issar was “a leading figure” who preached at fundamentalist gatherings at Bouyeri’s Amsterdam home.

Al-Issar “radiates charisma and exercises great influence on youth from this network,” Remkes wrote. “Participants strengthened their radical Islamic ideas, and the subject of violent jihad is often discussed.”

Dick Leurdijk, an expert on Islamic fundamentalism at the Netherlands Institute of Foreign Relations Clingendael, said he had worried there would be an attack like the one that killed Van Gogh.

“We cannot exclude these things happening in the Netherlands,” he said. “We are certainly part of (the target of) this Jihad.”

Leurdijk said the Dutch cell has special links to Islamic groups in Spain, as well as a “common ideology” with al-Qaida.

Three Dutch members of the Hofstad group traveled to Portugal in June 2004 during the European soccer championship and were arrested and deported because authorities there feared they would carry out an attack, Remkes said in the letter.

Watched for years
The Dutch secret service has been shadowing as many as 200 potential terrorists since the Sept. 11 attacks, but Bouyeri wasnÂ’t among them.

The Dutch cell began showing “conspiratorial behavior” in 2003 and a number of members traveled to Pakistan, probably for training, Remkes said.

The Dutch newspaper NRC Handelsblad identified one as 19-year-old Jason W. — one of two terrorism suspects arrested in The Hague Wednesday after a standoff with police — as having twice gone to Pakistan for training. The newspaper cited a document leaked by the Dutch secret service.

Remkes said members also received orders from “Abdeladim Akoudad, who was suspected by the Moroccan government of involvement in the attacks on Casablanca.”

Akoudad was arrested near Barcelona in October 2003 at MoroccoÂ’s request for the Casablanca suicide bombings that killed 32 in May 2003. Spanish officials confirm links between him and at least one of the six suspects held in the Netherlands in Van GoghÂ’s killing.

Akoudad’s arrest prompted the arrest of five suspects in the Netherlands on Oct. 19, 2003, including 18-year-old Samir Azzouz, identified as a key member of the Dutch cell. The group “was planning a violent attack in the Netherlands or Europe,” Remkes said.

Azzouz was found with bomb making materials but released for lack of evidence. He was arrested again in June 2004 and is now awaiting trial on terrorism charges in Rotterdam. Investigators found plans of a Dutch airport and nuclear reactor at his home.

Azzouz is also being charged for attempted robbery with Ismail. B, who Dutch media said received bomb making training in Pakistan.

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2004, 12:34:08 PM »
The times, they are a changin'
Europeans better accept that;
The waters around them have grown, and they'll sink like a stone,
'Cause the times, they are a changin'.
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2004, 12:56:10 PM »
DUTCH terrorism is like a gun crime, the Dutch aren't doing it, just as a gun doesn't hurt anyone. It's good old islam again.
I hope the Dutch rounds up every darned muslim in the country and deports  them, only problem there is that nobody wants the Godless scum. At least the Dutch now see them for the murderous scum they are. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :twisted:
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2004, 02:34:35 PM »
I am willing to bet that at least the Dutch will actually do what all forward thinking countries should do:  Get them bastages out of the borders.
We ought to do the same, but something tells me that  the ACLU will cry foul.

We should probably send them packing too, along with the liberals, and dumbocraps, Gollywood, and some musical entertainers too.

Then we can all live happily ever after !!!

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2004, 07:52:48 AM »
Ranger,

In addition to all the ones you list, along with the ACLU how about we send 95% of the other lawyers too.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2004, 08:14:51 AM »
Their lairs are the mosques where they preach hatred and death to all non muslims. The world has been slow to seeing islam as the ever growing cancer it is, but the day is fast approaching when the entire world will be forced to fight to the death with these Godless scum. I hope that it will not be too late. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2004, 02:59:22 PM »
Quote from: Major
Ranger,

In addition to all the ones you list, along with the ACLU how about we send 95% of the other lawyers too.


What's wrong with 99.9% ????  :)  :)  :)  :)

I am satisfied that there have been revenge activities directed at the muslims over there that the country seems to find acceptable.

My hand to G-d, one more muslim terrorist activity here, and I will become very involved in doing the same here.

You know what they call 1,000,000 dead muslims ???
 A good start !!!!


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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2004, 03:27:52 PM »
Powder,Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world--and the US with Mormons second----someone explain it to me and at the same time the Liberals----I will wait.
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2004, 04:47:11 PM »
WIZARD. Satan is alive and well, islam is a perfect example of that. Cult would better describe islam than religion. Teaching children to hate and murder is wrong. Islam is a  boil on the butt of the world. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :twisted:
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2004, 05:09:11 PM »
Powder,the Gip say---Politics and morality are inseparable. And as morality's foundation is religion, religion and politics are necessarily related. We need religion as a guide. We need it because we are imperfect, and our government needs the church, because only those humble enough to admit they're sinners can bring to democracy the tolerance it requires in order to survive." --Ronald Reagan
Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2004, 08:29:08 PM »
Just an aside:

In the book in question, arabs were referred to as "Geitenneukers" or ...er, folks who have intimate relationships with goats.  Evidently the truth hurts.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2004, 02:32:22 AM »
UHHHHHH, that would explain aerfarts face. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2004, 12:49:32 AM »
How is it that the "open minded" Dutch are so "outraged" by one persons death....but like nearly all other Euros...just can't seem to comprehend why we are so P.O.'ed  over 9/11???
 
   I hasten to remind all Euros..when the circling wolves really do get  lean & hungry...and they no longer can confront the strongest of the herd, they stsrt attacking the frightened weaklings..SELAH
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