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Offline bumble

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« on: November 18, 2004, 01:54:18 PM »
I use my Lyman 55 for just about everything I reload. How well do these measures work with Black Powder? Are other brands offering something better? I'd sure like to hear what you people know before I drop a 100 dollar bill to buy one for Black Powder. Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2004, 05:45:45 PM »
i weigh cartriges and put in groups, weigh bullets and put in groups, and weigh powder  after determining each cans volume with a volumn measure.  i do belive a lot of bp shooters do us a lyman measure tho.  i shoot long range and want to get the bullet in the same hole, but this is a rare occureance with the 45-70 with bp as the human error with the huge slow bullet and long barrel and open sights dont accomidate all the time.. bp is a whole new ballgame, and all bets are off when it comes to shooting consitently..  its a fantastic pastime, that will always need lots of discussion and learning to get even a toe hold.. then you move out another 100 yards.... dave..
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2004, 08:15:04 PM »
bumble, ifin you want to get rid of the $100.00 on the lyman 55 I'll take 1/2 of it for a nib lyman 55 with 24in drop tube plus an extra used 24in drop tube. I got one several yrs ago and never used it and the cat clawed the top of the box off but its brand new. Ifin your interested P.M. me. The 1/2 includes shipping

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2004, 05:27:32 PM »
Dave, I have a feeling your all too right. That's ok too. I'm thinking I'd like to use a drop measure for my BPCR shooting. It's quite a few  rounds in a string and evenings reloading for the next days shooting could take up some serious time. I'm wondering about the compression of black through one of these measures and how safe it is, and how uniform does black meter.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2004, 07:42:25 PM »
compression is a mystery, but not a big problem.. just another factor to figure in in the  hell raising problems of black powder..  im finding my best load for 45-70 is using a 500 grain bullet, probably becouse bp gets better cleaner burning for me with a heavy bullet.. i wonder if this is the same thing the us govt found when it switched from 405 to 500 grain bullet in military rounds.. i then use 4 .030  vegi wads under a 500 grain gas check bullet (without gas check)  to stop blowby and unkowingly increase compression to make good groups.. how i got this to my advantige is a miricle. the shilo forum guys say compression should be .2 to .3 inch.. not a tough proposition.. what i do now is change the powder load  5 grains an outing with a new bullet to see what load compresson works best.. it seems to come together for the limited time ive used it.. then ill taper this down to the best weight and start changing vegi cards..  on thing at a time. mix this with crimp variences, and types of powder and primers, and its a second full time job..make sure some of the bullets dont poke back out further after loading.  weather plays a role here too..  light, wind, and front rest postion, body position etc has taught me that one outing with a load will not reflect a good test for it..  my best load today was off, but i needed to tighten a lawrence sight that i hit pretty hard with the cleaning  brush and rod some how,,.. it was cold and i wasnt paying attention.   one big help for me is i shoot test loads at 25 yards, it takes very little time to run a target, and make notations on it, and dont have to wait to go up on the 100 yard ranges as the 25 range is less crowded, especailly on snowy mornings like this..  what i do now is put on a firm crimp, not heavy by any means, on a trimed case, cases must be trimed every time. and cleaned with water and brush on drill and flash hole cleaned with drill bit the same size it was drilled at.. then seat the bullet back to where it will load three or four times without blow tube, (for hunting) not much, then vary powder for compressioin to get started..    it seems to be luck as ive only gotten one good load, and as i stated you must not arrive at this with only one group..  bp is the most fickle thing ive ever worked with and once you get a good home base with one good load things start to really come together pretty fast.. as you can use it to see if you ahve other problems than the load.. its taken me over a year and a half to get to this point, and im just tryhing to help, you need alot more infl..  i sugest also reading the shilo page at  http://www.shilohrifle.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2   they have a black powder page with good natured long range shooters, probably some of the best in the country, and they are very helpfull.  lots of fun on a cold night.  
  ive learned the hardway that black powder is a cold hearted mistress that  keeps all shooters hopping and hopeing..  i shoot ducks with a 16 gauge flintlock and have good luck with it and still am still  learning after  15 years of shooting trap and winged critters with percussion and  flint..  this is the greatness of bp, it gives the game an edge, greatly reduces distances we can hunt at and puts hunt back into hunting..  good luck dave..
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2004, 06:23:33 AM »
Bumble:T

he Lyman 55 is a black powder design measure.

Up until the 1970Â’s Lyman advertised it as compatible w/ both Black & Smokeless Powder.

The newer Lyman 55 has a drop tube to aid in settling the powder column &, from what IÂ’ve been told, some internal metal changes.

As w/ all powder measures, it takes operator technique & rhythm to throw consistent charges whether  w/ BP or Smokeless.

Belding & Mull also makes a very good measure. See the Buffalo Arms catalogue.

If you really want a top-of-the-line powder measure, buy a Harrel, which can be meter BP by installing  a different powder reservoir. All you need to do is tell Harrell that you want to s meter BP & send them the $$Â….

http://www.harrellsprec.com/

I'd also advise that you visit the Shiloh board. A real treasure-trove of info...
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