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Offline jeager106

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Foster accuracy in the smoothie.
« on: November 27, 2004, 04:22:40 AM »
I live and hunt in Ohio where we can only use shotguns loaded with slugs for deer.
Now we can use handguns (certain ones) and of course the best of all, MUZZLELOADERS!
When I was into shotguns only seasons, all we had were smoothies and foster slugs.
A bunch of us serious about making a true 100 yard deer shotgun did a lot of experimenting and a TON of shooting.
Here is what we learned from actual tests and range work.
#1) make sure the barrel is TIGHT on the action. That means your pump or auto loader must be tightened as solid as you can get it.
The Remingtons had the deep cross notches in the mag cap so it was no trick to use a large blade screw driver to get the sucker tight.
The Mossbergs didn't have the deep notches so we drilled a hole in the side of the cap and used a hard steel rod, like a drill bit to force the cap tight.
You'd be surprised how much this helps as if the barrel seems tight it isn't and moves with recoil spoiling accuracy.
#2) Good sights. Forget those junk side saddle mounts. Too much slop. We had our 870's drilled and good Weaver mounts, rings and good scopes installed. This in the days before they came predrilled.
#3) shoot several brands of slugs and see which your gun performs best with.
Foster slugs are cheap compared to sabot slugs.
#4) CLEAN the barrel. Slugs lead the barrel quickly. Mossbergs are the worse, they have very rough insides. Smooth them by sticking a cleaning rod in a good electric drill and use a 'bore mop' with 400 grit paste and polish until mirror bright, then polish some more!
After 10 rounds use a wire brush and don't spare the elbow grease cleaning the lead out!
I used to take a cordless drill to the range and use the rod, brush in the drill and clean the lead out.
Lead leaves 'lump' deposites and spoils accuracy.
#5) LUBE THE SLUGS> How? Get some white lithium spray grease and squirt it into the mouth of the slugs. You can see the grease fill the "rifling" in the "rifled" slugs. This cuts leading down a good bit.
Does all this help?
If I had a smoothie tuned the way I described and it wouldn't one ragged hole at 50 yards it found a new home right quick.
My best 100 yard group?
Once, just once, I got an even 1" center to center 100 yard group. The gun was an 870 Remington Police Riot gun, 20" barrel, no choke, polished, Winchester foster slugs, greased, drilled and tapped with Weaver mounts/rings and 2.5 Weaver post crosshair scope.
Average groups ran 3" at 100 yards.
Longest kill???
175 yards, paced off and witnessed. Lucky shot? Probably so.
Some guys I hunted with actually had the 870 barrels permanently pinned in place so it would never come off and never move under recoil.
If I still used a shotgun I'd never WASTE my money on sabot slugs and rifled barrels.
I've seen guys with $800.00 rifled shotguns including expensive optics that pronounced the 5" groups 'good'. I'd say that SUCKED.
I've chronographed about EVERY brand of foster slug on the market.
Brenneke is o.k. but is 200 fps SLOWER than Winchesters.
What is the best foster slug?
The one YOUR gun shoots most accurately.
Stay away from double barrel shotguns for slugs. Most won't keep both barrels on a pie plate at 25 yards with slugs.
Single shots can be deadly if you have one in modified or imp. cyl. NO CHOKE is best.
Trick up your pump or auto loader and do what I suggest and your in for a surpise.
Another last thought.
Once sighted in..DO NOT remove the barrel. You WILL change your point of impact.
Clean the barrel ON THE GUN using the rod in the drill with a brass brush.
Listen I've shot THOUSANDS of slugs getting this thing working, my buddies shot even MORE than I did, buying slugs by the case.
It works.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 05:56:57 PM »
I agree 100% on the gun tips. I accually epoxied my Hastings barrel to my 1100 receiver! But sorry, no way am I gonna spray white grease on my slugs and carry them around all season. I don't see how the powder would not be affected. Just like with muzzleloaders, the little range tricks that increase accuracy are many times usesless or impractical for hunting.
jeager106, as for wasting money, some of us shoot sabots for the increased accuracy and greatly improved ballistics over the foster slugs. The fosters just can't compete with sabots from a rifled barrel in any category, be it energy, velocity, accuracy, or trajectory, when you get out there past 100 yards. And I can certainly afford the 3 or 4 slugs a year I need to check my zero and then get my deer.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2004, 01:26:13 AM »
RAMROD:
You bring up some VERY GOOD points. It's all about choice isn't it?
I've had a couple 870's with cantalever scope mount, rifled bore, scopes, sabots slugs etc. They can be surprisingly accurate and yes the sabot slug will outrange AND out penetrate the old soft lead foster every time.
The pure lead foster is a TERRIBLE bullet for pentration if hard bone is struck
I can think of at least three deer I killed where the slug STOPPED cold on bone. Twice on the spine and once on the shoulder joint. All deer went down right now, and the spines of were busted on two of them. All required follow up shots.
The foster is NOT a good penetrator. If no hard large bone is hit the thing perfroms well enough.
And once again you're right about the grease. SOME ammo allows the grease to flow into the powder and kills the charge. I learned that in real practice, fortunately at the range.
It WILL NOT flow past Remington or Winchester wads however. No way. I've carried them season after season and they all fired fine.
Brennekes allow the grease into the powder. So did the defunct Active slugs.
Like I said we did a LOT of testing.
We learned that buckshot SUCKS for deer, and NO we can't use it in Ohio, but I ws going to, never did though, hunt the swamps of N. Carolina where shotguns with buck is manditory.
Certain buck loads with certain chokes were good to about 40 yards, most were dismal.

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2004, 05:25:21 AM »
jeager106,
Thanks....you brought up some excellent hints on improving accuracy with the smoothbores.  I've heard about pinning the barrels and even epoxy YUK!!!  I have a 12 ga. Ithaca that does a remarkable job with ACTIVs but they're now long-gone.  Besides injecting lithium grease into the shell, is there anything anyone has done to treat a smoothbore barrel so it doen't lead up so badly?
I went to the range with my grandson's 20ga. Mossburg to sight it in, and couldn't hit the broadside of a fast moving barn..........it must have been those lousy clip-on sights, and the barrel was so leaded up after shooting 4 boxes of various slugs (Rems, Feds) I had to use an electricdrill and rod with bronze brush to dig out the lead left behind.  Pretty much the same with my Ithaca Deerslayer too.
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 10:56:06 AM »
SavageT:
The Ithaca always did lock up in the action better than other pumps.
I've known some guys to run a LIGHTLY treated lubed mop downbore between each shot, but what a pain in the tush!
Don't be afraid of the white lithium grease with Rem. and Win. fosters. It will NOT get past the wads into the powder.
Use the red straw snout that comes with the spray and learn to inject th grease into the rifling in the slug. You will learn to see this and watch the lube acutally fill out inside the 'rifling grooves'.
Don't be afraid to practice. You will learn as you go. It's not rocket science and it does cut down on leading.
Why the ammo makers don't wise up and copper wash those soft lead slugs is beyond me.
Leading is one of the biggest culprits to accuracy along with  bad sights, then a loose barrel to action fit.

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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 06:01:43 PM »
C130E:
I don't know of any buffer in slugs. I have never used the 20 on deer so have no experience with it.
I've never seen buffer in any slug load and I've disected plenty, but it's been a long time since I've fooled with slugs.
I reach for the flintlocks these days.
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