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Offline Old Griz

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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2004, 03:56:17 PM »
:cb2: The gun design was a major turning point in firearm history. I don't really think that anyone is going to have trouble remembering his name. The .45 GAP is a useless gimmic. It should be forgotten.
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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2004, 05:12:28 PM »
Old Griz,  maybe its time to hibernate.  I have a 45 GAP and like the round.  Its no different then all the short magnums that have come out lately.  Do the same thing in a smaller package.  Makes sense to me.
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2004, 07:45:07 PM »
glen asher;

I've never met Dick Metcalf, but I know what you mean. That man will lie about anything. and talk about a puppet on a string. I let my subscription to shooting times run out because he wrote for them. Back in the eighties, I used to read his articles, but the more I read them the more I found his writing disgusting. He has never found a bad gun yet.
Just my two cents.

Dennis  :D
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2004, 04:03:19 PM »
i was in a guns store last night..  one of the negatives that the salesman was telling a buyer about the gun he was looking at was that he didnt think the round was going to be offered 5 years from now on the shelf... he was talking about  all the new short mags comming out to hook people who keep buying more guns..  i also am gulty of this,, i just ordered a jim chamers 58 cal   swamped barreled full stock flintlock rifle..,   im sorry i guess i just didint need a magazine to do it..  but ive wanted this gun for  about 8 years,, not a snap decision..  some of you do sound like the  armory back when they wouldnt let the 45-70 go.. they were afraid the troops would waste ammo and not hit anything from all those bullets flying down range.. ...   but i do dislike plastic windows,  :lol: .  ..  dave.
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« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2004, 05:31:11 PM »
:cb2: Don: I'll respect your opinion no matter what—so know that I'm not trying to belittle you or your decision. I'm truly glad you like your GAP. I'm a .45 ACP guy. The first centerfire handgun I ever owned was a Glock 21. So IF Glock made a .45 ACP the same size as the GAP, would you choose the GAP over the round that has more choices in bullet types, bullets sizes, and overall availability, plus being essentially the same ballistically? It would seem that in convenience alone the ACP would come out ahead. We may never know, but it seems that if Glock had come out with a single stack ACP they would be selling boatloads of them today. As it is, some dealers aren't even selling them.

Again, I'm glad you're enjoying yours, and I hope you never have to use it for anything but punching holes in paper. But if you do, I sure hope you come out on top!

And by the way, I think the short magnums are basically sales gimmics, too. They are a slight improvement over the originals, but not enough for me to give up my .30-30, .45-70 or 6.5X55 Swede. Wow! Can you imagine what a WSSM in .45-70 would look like! Man the magazine tube would look like a shotgun barrel! :-D
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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2004, 04:14:30 PM »
Old Griz, I would not mess with an old bear the hibernation thing was a joke. :P
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« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2004, 05:22:41 PM »
:cb2: Nothing to worry about—my wife says I look like an old griz, but I'm just her old fuzzy teddy bear. She also said that beards can hide an awful lot of ugly. (I wonder how she knew that? Been married 25 years and she ain't seen me without it!)  :)
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« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2004, 03:54:27 PM »
The 45 GAP will not trounce the 45ACP as the article stated. I'd like to see the pressure readings of the ACP loads that will trounce the GAP though. I can't believe that they let the article go to press without better data on the two rounds.
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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2004, 02:53:23 AM »
GAPshooter:  I think a lot of that information and data will probably come out in the next article on comparing those two cartridges, probably one about relaoding the two and making further comparisons.  I'm sure that will happen fairly soon.  Just a thought, and Merry Christmas.  Mikey.
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« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2004, 07:22:20 AM »
This cartridge is like the newest sports franchise, the curious and easily impressed will flock to it. It will do O.K. in sales and in the press for a short while, then people will drift back to the ones that made the sport great. IMO there is no need for it and it won't reel me in. I have no problems carrying ANY of the .45's I own and I see no need to improve on the performance of one of the best manstoppers of all tme.
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2005, 07:05:00 AM »
Geeze, I thought this topic was NEVER going to die.  OOPS!
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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2005, 12:52:07 PM »
:cb2: Oh Dusty, it won't die until the .45 GAP dies!  :)
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2005, 07:49:15 PM »
Someone mentioned the 1911 as a difficult fit for women. Not true in my wife's experience--she has small hands and tried a lot of different handguns for size, and the single stack 1911--Colt with standard wood grips--was the one that was easiest for her to hold and reach. The short trigger pull (not to mention that you can install a long or short trigger to fit a hand). I've talked to various women who find 1911 to fit smaller hands better than other handguns. My wife especially had trouble with the small glocks with double stacks and the extra thickness of plastic. Even though I have good sized hands don't like the fat feel of double stack Glocks--maybe only because I never shoot them enough to get used to them, but much prefer the 1911.

M. Ayoob tells of the female FBI agent who failed her qualification with a tiny double stack plastic handled auto, then petitioned the FBI to requalify with a gun that fit her hand properly. She chose a 1911 and qualified and surprised people who tend to think that small guns will fit small hands and the 1911 is a legendarily "big" gun so shouldn't fit small hands. Not true.

As for shooting the 1911, I find the big .45ACP shove easier to handle than the sharper wack of 9mm even. That's probably just me, but I don't believe that .45acp is harder to shoot than 9mm or .40sw, and much easier--for me--than .357mag :shock:

Anyway, good luck to Glock with their GAP, but shortening was the last thing .45ACP needed. :roll:
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« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2005, 09:13:29 AM »
:cb2: Paxton Quigly agreed with STW, or at least, her students did. In her female training academy the women said their favorite two guns were the 1911, and the .357 Ruger GP100. So much for the old theory that women can't handle recoil.  :eek:
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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2005, 09:50:26 AM »
I had an idea for modifying the 45GAP. Tell me what you think: Lengthen the case about an eighth of an inch and set it up so that it shoots 230 grain bullets.
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