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« on: February 08, 2004, 01:22:30 PM »
Any one ever hunt them?I would like to see pics if you did.I just started raising them and love their horns.I just found this site and love all the forums.Especially this one

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2004, 03:53:20 AM »
Yes, have hunted them for a few yeas, but no, don't have any pictures.  Can't quite figure out how to post pic's yet anyway,  but when and if I do, I will try to post something.
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2004, 01:50:43 PM »
Hi WP,

Yup...me.  I found it not to be a hunt.  Rather, an asassination.  I stalked.  I hid.  I snuck.  I crawled.  My outfitter beeped the horn and said, "just walk up and shoot...we don't have all day."  So, I stood up and walked to within 40 yards.  The five rams (4 corsicans and one Tx dall) also stood up and walked away single file.  I shot the dall and the others just turned around and went back to where they were bedded.

Jeeeeezzz....

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2004, 12:44:44 PM »
Wow you kinda ruined that for me. I was looking at a ram hunt in Ok but I might have to rethink it now. The guide I talked to made it sound a little more challenging than that.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2004, 02:27:33 PM »
Thanks drdouggrx for the pic.What was his measurements.I have several young rams under 2 yrs old between 20-24" long.Just trying to figure how big they   should be at that age.I would post pics but dont know how.

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2004, 02:51:37 PM »
Hi Guys!

First....if you want to hunt rams....hunt Mouflons, pure mouflons.  They can be pricey but are worth it.   Here's mine, a last day mouflon that took 16 hours of chasing a herd of about 30 or more over 2 days.  This one stood out alone from the rest and I had a 300yrd shot.  God bless the .270 and a solid rest!  Please get some other comments though.  I expect if they are hunted alot, they can run you around a preserve pretty well.  All of the corsican crosses were easy for me, including the jacobs and ramboulet.

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Second...this one was an SCI silver medal for hybrid sheep.  After all, no corsican sheep is native to anywhere.  He measures 30 and 4/8" on the left, 28 and 6/8" on the right and has 9 and 2/8 bases, has an overall score of 120 6/8"  I saw bigger, but, the horns were miss shapen so I passed them up.  Real trophies are about 30" and a 33" is super.  Longer and you're likely to pay more than $1,500.

I like exotics and will continue to hunt them.. By the way.  If you look at my webshots link, you'll see a black hawaiian the measures 24" and a corsican that measures 34".

By for now!

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2004, 06:13:34 PM »
In thinking of a hunt for sheep one thing to bear in mind is that for the most part sheep, even wild sheep of the world, are not that wild. Meaning not that likely to be cautious and sneaky like say a whitetail deer.

Consider also that if you go to a "put and take" operation which means any of them outside of TX really you are going to be looking at sheep that for the most part were pen raised. Someone raises them in basically a barn yard environment until they are of a size ready to sell. They've been fed by humans and they KNOW they've been fed by humans all of their lives. They have no fear of man. They know him as friend and provider of food not as predator.

Muflon and Auodad are two exceptions. Generally. But if raised like I mention above even they are going to lose most of that natural wariness they seem to possess. Once several years ago someone opened up a Game Ranch on 200 acres of rolling country side here in Bama just a short way from me. They brought in lots of exotics and even had a small her of American Bison. I can't recall all of what I saw but it was a good representation of what's available to hunters these days. This wasn't a hunting ranch but was for viewing only. The Muflon and Auodad both on it were quite tame. Didn't try to run and I have photos of both taken from feet not yards away.

So really it is a matter of how they've been raised and where as much as anything. Once back in '91 I think it was I took my wife and both oldest and youngest sons with me and we went to TX on a ram hunt. This was my wife's first big game hunt and prior to this she had only killed a squirrel. She was a fairly good and practiced shot but had no real hunting/killing experience. So I wanted her to not have to shoot over about 50-60 yards.

We went to the Duderstat ranch near Kerrville and stayed on the ranch and she also hunted on it. The first morning the guide took us not into the 200 acre pasture where the permit sheep were but into the 400 acre pasture next to it where some of the permit sheep had escaped to. NOTE: This was a hunt with Thompson Temple. At the time lots of folks were working with him to offer "free" certificate hunts where you pay only the daily guide fee but no trophy fee. I got hers when I renewed my HHI membership. The guide said there weren't many rams in the certificate/free pasture at the time and there were some nice escapees next door.

So we took off after them one morning. She and I rode in the back of the pickup sitting on a 2"x8" board while our oldest son rode in the truck with the guide. Youngest son stayed at camp watching TV. We bounced around in the back of that pickup all morning without ever managing to get her within 50 yards of a ram. Oh we got out and made a few foot stalks but by now these rams knew we were after them and they didn't like that idea too much. One time a group of 4-5 did pose beautifully for us about 75-80 yards out. I threw a pad on the truck cab and just before she was ready to take the shot the guide moved ahead. I think she would have made the shot but they were over 50 yards and I had told him I didn't want her to have to shoot over that. So he tried to ease closer. Off they went.

After lunch she was a nervous wreck and I knew about ready to give it up. So I told him to forget those rams and take her where she could shoot one. He did. We drove up to one in the certificate pasture and from about 35 yards she popped him as he stood looking at us. Her first real big game animal was on the ground. If you want to read the entire story of the hunt and see the six rams the three of us took the story is on the Campfire Tales at this link. http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/campfiretales/rams.html

Here is my gold medal ram.



So were those rams really a hunt? Well they wouldn't have been for me but were for her. Almost too much of a hunt for her at her stage of development as a hunter.

My biggest ram and my son's biggest were a bit more of a hunt but still not like a deer hunt by any means.


Yeah this is really long already but is gonna get longer.

Flash backward in time to March of that same year. I went to hunt with Thompson for the first time. My plan was to take a gold medal Corsican and catalina goat both. I was taken to the Smith Ranch also known as the Goat Ranch about 50 miles as I recall from Kerrville.

This was a 80 acre ranch on two levels. Basically two 40s side by side. At the road it was dead flat but rose quickly about 100 yards in from the road to a bluff that over looked the entire area. I'd guess 150' higher than below. Oh they had plenty of gold medal corsicans and goats all right. But they were so tame you had to kick them in the butt to move them out of your way.

There were two muflon on that ranch that at no time while there was I ever within iron sighted handgun range of. Yeah that's what I was hunting with. There was one goat I felt was a catalina but they said was an ibex and wanted ibex price for. I saw him only once and no way could I have taken him with that revolver. Ditto for a pair of addax. The rest I could have taken with spear and maybe a knife.

Morale of this too long story is don't go expecting a "real" hunt if you're going after exotic sheep.

If you go to a place where they are raised where hunted and NOT in a barn yard you might be pleasantly surprised. If you go for Muflon or Auodad changes are good you will get a pleasant surprise if they are pure. But Corsicans and that includes the color phases of Texas Dall and Hiwiian black are not likely gonna give you much of a chase. Use a bow or iron sighted handgun to increase the challenge.

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2004, 01:10:20 AM »
Hey GB,

Very, very, very well said!!!!


By the way WP...how much are they asking?  $400 - 600 is about right I think!

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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2004, 02:14:22 AM »
Thanks  for the pics and stories.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2005, 01:17:48 PM »
I forgot my password and now found it.Just given an update on my rams .
They are 27 &29" @ 3yrs old.I also have a 1yr.old with 19"horns

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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2005, 01:11:49 PM »
If you bowhunt Sweetwater Creek Ranch in Decater, Tx. or Shiloh Bowhunting in Stonewall, Oklahoma you won't walk up to them.  They are not put & take operations but I have been to both 3-4 times & it is a good fun time but not a guarentee.  They have web sites.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2005, 01:16:21 PM »
I saw the ram meatpost and now I am a litlle nervous.  No good? My wife is hunting a Texas dall this spring, and I am a fair cook.  What do y'all think?  :D
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2005, 03:21:10 AM »
nothing wrong with the ram meat if you know how to prepare it.  I hear the same thing about feral hogs.  Some guys say you can't eat them if they weigh over 200#, Nonesense!   Field dress quickly, soak the meat in your ice chest and drain the icey water, refill with ice.  Repeat this process until the water runs clear, takes a couple of days or so.  We have smoked the back strap from the rams over oak or mesquite, made sausage, and loved every bit of it.  Not much meat on a Tx Dahl ram, but nothing wrong with it, unless it sits in the field for a while before being processed.  We also hang ours in a walk in cooler over night usually ebfore processing.   Happy hunting.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2005, 09:18:41 AM »
That's a relief, thanks!  I figured that if I could make an edible dinner out of a Northwoods pocupine on a dare, ram would be a cinch! :D
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2005, 02:26:30 AM »
best thing about porcupine is that they come equipped with tooth picks for after the meal.  haha
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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2005, 04:11:30 PM »
Yeah GB is right on. To the natives down here the Texas Dall and Catalina goat are a joke. They are pretty animals but like shooting the milk cow.

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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2005, 04:10:39 AM »
they are not very difficult to hunt for most folks, especially experienced hunters.  I think they are a good idea for some youth perhaps new to hunting and or the wife, some times for disabled folks who are not physically able to hunt hard or for long periods of time.  Hunting with a bow, or handgun can make it a bit more of a hunt.  It just cracks me up to see guys with high powered rifles with high magnification scopes hunting these sheep and taking shots at close range while covered in camo... Dunno, makes me laugh.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2005, 03:34:07 PM »
I have been on some "REAL" ram and goat hunts out in west texas. These sheep and goats were so wild in those big hills that I think they were running when the vehicle was spotted half a mile away!. We would have to spot them with spotting scopes and then get out and walk up and down the hills and the shots were still 200-400 yards. So there is a broad range of hunts! But I have seen the ones that follow the truck around also!
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