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35 Remington: Seating depth for .357 Hornady hollowpoint
« on: December 23, 2004, 09:17:17 AM »
I'm making a new semi-auto rifle in 35 Remington, and the primary load I intend to use is a 180gr hollow point bullet designed for 357 Rem Mag.  I notice, though, that when lining up either of the crimping lines with the cartridge mouth makes the round much shorter than the factory Remington loads I have with 150gr and 200gr bullets.  That's actually a good thing, since it may now be possible to use AR-15 magazines.  But I'm not sure how seating depth would affect operating pressures for which the rifle is designed, both for safety and for the gas system to operate.

Anyone know how I should load in order to keep the pressures around the factory pressures considering the presumably deeper seating depth?  Or am I wrong about these bullets having a deeper seating depth?
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35 Remington: Seating depth for .357 Hornad
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2004, 05:22:40 AM »
The best thing for you to do is to buy and read a reloading manual.  Speer #13 answers your question in the data section, specifying the overall loaded length for their pistol bullets as 2.220".  Hormady #6 lists 2.235" as the recommended loa.  Sierra lists 2.295" for some of their pistol bullets, different lengths for others. Load to the length specified for the bullet you will be using and the pressures should be within the data specs.

Note that expansion with 180-grain handgun bullets will be rather violent out of the .35 Remington - most were designed for handgun muzzle velocities around 1200 fps, rather than the 1900-2100 fps you can achieve in the .35 Remington rifle.  The 180 Speer FN is a much better deer bullet - if that is your goal.

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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2004, 12:40:01 PM »
I shoot pistol bullets in my 35 Marlin, but they are reduced loads, and I don't load anything heavier than a 158.  If I want full power loads, I use the Speer 180 or something bigger.  Best accuracy has been with the Speer 180 or the Rem 200 Core-Lokt, though the pistol bullets over ten grains of Unique are VERY accurate, like .5" groups at 50 yards if I don't hold my breath too long.   :wink:  

The rifle you're building sounds pretty interesting, you know going in that it will be one of a kind!  What action are you using?  Is the odd head size giving you problems?  Keep us posted.............

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 09:40:56 AM »
Ok, here are a few more details:  If I can load 180gr or lighter bullets in while maintaining an OAL shorter than a 223, I can use AR-15 or modified AK-74 magazines and save a world of trouble trying to design and fit a new magazine (which would probably be based on the AK-74 as well).

The critical parts of this rifle are from an AMD-65 kit, using a full length Marlin 336 barrel turned down to fit the AK trunion.  The receiver is still up in the air, partly because I've been unsure what magazine system I'd use.  If I had a tilt locking system like the Mini-14 and AK, I could use a stamped receiver.  If I'll be using a straight insertion, side locking AR-15 mag, I'll definitely use a milled receiver of my own design, which will accomodate certain steel parts like the original front and rear trunions, as well as an extractor and possibly more, like rail inserts.

I've put a 180gr 357 bullet into an empty case by hand, and if I line the case mouth up with the front crimping band, it's shorter than a 223 OAL, which means I could use an AR-15 magazine to feed it with few if any modifications.  But that would rule out using factory loaded 35 Remington (except single shot), so there's a drawback.

I'd want pressure curves to match the factory ones for safety and functional reasons, so if seating depth affects it significantly, I'd need to adjust for that.

My goal of this system is actually to display the merits of a 35 caliber intermediate round in a semi-auto for hunting, personal defense, and law enforcement.  This is in order to introduce a wildcat with similar ballistics but using modern pressures and in a shorter case that would have an OAL equal to or under the 223 even with longer 358 bullets.  Since we can't hunt with semi-autos in PA, finding a good hunting load can come down the line.  In the long run, I'm also looking into making a box magazine fed pump or levergun for intermediate length rounds, which could include this wildcat for PA hunting.

Even the full length 35 Remington has been successfully used on a standard length AK platform (as well as the 308, though with a beefed up bolt and trunion).  Even if stuck with full length rounds I could make it work, and that would have its advantages.  I'd just need to invent my own magazine, or drastically modify an existing one, which is possible.  But using AR mags would be the cats' meow.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 09:40:55 PM »
What about AR10 mags (.308) or Druagonov (7.62x54R)? Both of those would be real close to a .35 REM.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2004, 08:25:32 AM »
Geez, those are some of the most expensive mags out there.  If I were going to use a 308 mag I'd use G3 or FAL, or even M14 is cheaper.

I'm trying to avoid using a 308 mag since my whole goal is an intermediate, not full power, carbine.  If the seating depth is ok, I think I'll go with the 357 bullets in the AR or AK-74 mag.  If not I'll make my own modified from an AK-74 mag.
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