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Offline JCP

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« on: September 10, 2004, 12:38:59 PM »
I'm new to BPCR loading. I did my first last after reading Books by Steve Garbe and Mike Venturino. I can now say I am hooked. I've had very good results from the start with my 45/70 and SPG lube. I'm thinking of making my own lube from some of the recipes that I found on the net. The most interesting one I have found is one they used a long time ago.That recipe goes like this.

1 pound paraffin
1pound tallow
1/2 pound beeswax

I thought paraffin was something that we are supposed to stay away from with black powder.
What is your favorite home made lube?

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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2004, 10:02:57 AM »
Howdy,
I don't know where you live, but the parafin at an equal amount may be way too stiff for you. I use the tallow sold by Dixie and beeswax I buy from Michaels stores. I mix parafin to that to suit the weather. Even in the summer when it is 100+ around here I only use 1/2 as much as the equal portions of beeswax and tallow. I sometimes soften the mix with a dash of olive oil and add a few drops of vanilla to kill the smell when cooking.
There are as many formulas as there are BP shooters probably. I know when I started out I used Rooster and SPG and both are really good, but pricey. It was price that drove me to making up my own lube.  :grin:
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2004, 04:33:18 AM »
25% Murphy's oil soap, 25% beeswax and 50% Crisco by weight works well for me and cleans up nicely.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2004, 08:33:55 AM »
One thing not often mentioned when discussing BP lubes, but which is very important is:   where do you live?

If you shoot in humid conditions, you will find it much easier to develop a good lube.  Frequently here in Montana we shoot at 100 degrees and 20% humidity (or even lower!) and that is real tough on lubes, to say the least!  I have not yet found a lube that works well in those conditions.  Lots of blow-tubing and cleaning after every string is necessary in those conditions.

With that said, my favoirite lubes use this basic formula:

50% Beeswax
40% Crisco (the white, solid stuff)
10% vegetable oil

In real hot weather, you might want to make this a bit stiffer by using a bit more beeswax and a bit less Crisco   - and in the winter, using less beeswax and more Crisco.  

Also, a "secret" ingredient used by many BP shooters is "LubeGard" - which is an automobile valve lubricant sold by NAPA.  It's about $14 for 8 oz., but you don't need much of it.  Substitute the LubeGard for the vegetable oil.  It will turn your lube pink.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2004, 04:21:30 PM »
Cooper , I live in North Carolina and it's usually pretty humid here. This week end my sons and myself made some lube using equal parts by weight of one wax toilet seal and crisco. Only got to shoot it 9 times using the blow tube three times in between shots. Didn' have any leading at all and clean up was the easiest I have ever seen. The only thing I'm concerned about is it seem a little thin and i'm afraid it want work well enough for my 34" 45 cal. barrel. I didn't see very much lube on the muzzle. might try using a little less crisco.

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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2004, 09:11:59 AM »
For about three years now, I have been spreading the gospel of:

1 pound canning paraffin
1 pound mutton tallow
1/2 pound beeswax

I found this recipe in the February 1943 American Rifleman magazine, in an article entitled, "Bullet Lubrication." The original article simply listed paraffin and tallow, but I use canning paraffin for its purity (who knows what lurks in old candles, especially scanted ones?) and mutton tallow.
I've tried beef tallow (lard) but found that mutton tallow definitely creates a superior product. I'm told that mutton tallow contains lanolin, but can't confirm this.
The above recipe was listed as the factory concoction for outside lubricated bullets, such as the .22 rimfires and .32, .38 and .41 Colt. The recipe was old in 1943 so I'm sure it dates to the 19th century, when nearly all ammunition was assembled with black powder.
For convenience's sake, I use a kitchen scale to measure:

200 grams paraffin
200 grams mutton tallow
100 grams beeswax.

These 500 grams of ingredients will fit handily in a quart, widemouth Mason jar. Place the jar in three or four inches of boiling water. When all ingredients are melted, stir well with a clean stick or disposable chopstick. Remove the jar from heat and allow the lubrican to cool at room temperature. Hastening cooling by placing in the refrigerator may cause the ingredients to separate. When hardened, screw the jar lid down tight --- to keep crud out and retain the ingredients' natural moistness --- and store in a cool, dry place.

As made above, it very closely resembles SPG. In fact, unless someone tells you it's not SPG, you probably wouldn't notice.
It works equall well too, but is much cheaper pound-for-pound.
I use the above recipe for all black powder applications: lead bullets for black powder cartridges (.32 Long Colt, .44-40 and .45-70 rifle, and .45 Colt revolver), felt wads in cap and ball sixguns, patches in my .50-caliber muzzleloading rifle and --- in a warm barrel --- as a rust preventaive.
Don't eat it. Though it's non-toxic, I'm sure it'll give you a fine case of Colorado Quickstep!

I live in the remote Utah desert, where temperatures often reach well over 100 F (38 C) and humidity is down around 6 percent. At these temperatures, this lubricant is soft if left in a can in the sun, but still prevents fouling from building up.
In these conditions, I prefer to load a felt wad, lubricated with the above, in the cartridge case before seating the lubricated bullet. This wad adds more lubricant to the bore, while the felt wad scrapes fouling from the grooves with each shot.
Recovered wads show negative impressions of the rifling, indicating they do their job. I believe that their work is greatly aided by the addition of paraffin in this recipe, which stiffens the wad somewhat.
When I shoot cartridges assembled as above, at the range, I keep the ammo in a small cooler. I've never increased the amount of paraffin to raise the melting point. I suppose it might be done, but I wonder if it would be at the cost of lubricity?

For those interested, this same article lists the factory (pre 1943) recipe for lubricated lead bullets:

9 pounds Japan Wax
4-1/2 pounds paraffin
4-1/2 pounds beeswax

I'm not sure what Japan Wax is, or where to get it. I've never tried this recipe.
For convenience sake, you could convert the above recipe to:

1 pound Japan Wax
1/2 pound paraffin
1/2 pound beexwax

I'm uncertain if you could get 2 pounds of ingredients to fit in a quart Mason jar. A 3-pound coffee can with a plastic snap-lid would work, I suppose. After making it, snap the lid down tight, then wrap a layer of plastic wrap around the lid, to keep in the moisture.
I presume the above recipe was also made for use with black powder. I'll have to make up a batch sometime for curiosity's sake.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2004, 10:13:51 AM »
a lube I've had great luck with is simply SPG tempered with a little bayberry wax and some powdered graphite, kind of a variant of the old government lube used in the 45-70.
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2004, 08:17:18 AM »
"Seems to work" lube

6 oz beeswax
4 oz jojoba oil
4 oz lanolin

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2004, 02:18:15 PM »
Where do you guy's buy stuff like lanolin and those special oils?

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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2004, 08:40:12 AM »
Most of those ingredients you can get from candle-making suppliers.  Just do a search on the web under "candle making" and you'll find a lot of suppliers.

from nature with love.com (remove the spaces) is one that I've used before.

You can also check out your local craft stores (Michaels, Ben Frankliln, etc.).

But for beeswax (because that is such a common ingredient in most lubes) I would recommend getting it from a beekeeper.  Look under "beekeeping" or "apiaries" in your local yellow pages, and call them up and ask if they'll sell you some beeswax.  I bought a 12 pound chunk of it for $25.  That's only 13 cents per ounce!.  If you go to get it form the hardware store it'll be about $1 per ounce, and even from the candle making stores it will be expensive.

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2004, 08:13:02 AM »
For the fancy oils try a health food store or a beauty supply store. Watch their prices, some shop keepers are pretty proud of their wares.
For beeswax ask a local bee keeper.  You may be able to get some non-food grade wax for a couple of bucks a pound.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2004, 04:23:01 AM »
I have been using this lube in my 45-70 for a year now and have had no problems with leading or fouling.  Keep in mind that the bullet you choose is just as important as the lube.  I prefer the Paul Jones Creedmore mould.  This mould provides wide deep grooves for a lot of lube.

45% Beeswax
45% Crisco
10% Anhydrous Lanolin
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2004, 02:10:10 PM »
You could save yourself a lot of work and just try Lee Shavers BP Moly Lube. I've been using it for overa year now and my RB that I use only FFFg and all my other long range rifles that I use smokeless in clean up easier and faster everytime. Give it a try.

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2004, 08:36:24 PM »
I would hesitate to use Parafin in any of my BP lubes for the simple reason that it is a Petroleum product, and as such will tend to foul and burn/cake in the barrel.  

I use a mixture of Buffalo tallow ( refined from Buffalo suet), Beeswax, Bayberry wax, Almond oil, and Lanolin.  I have never had any fouling issues from cold to very hot conditions.  

I doubt if you will find Parafin listed in any commercial BP lube, at least that no one will admitt.  Randy
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2004, 12:56:34 AM »
Omaha,

If using "food grade" parrafin you won't get the nasty stuff that petrol products have in them that leave the nasty fouling when combined with BP residue. The esters/keotones that form the hard tarry fouling are refined out of it. (that's why it's called "food grade", you can eat it without harm...at least in reasonable amounts. Though who would want too!?!?!  :shock: )
Smokeless is only a passing fad!

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2004, 06:03:44 PM »
CC: where did you find 'food grade' parafin?
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2004, 08:44:22 PM »
Ray,

At yer grocery store. It's usually sold in the canning supplies area. It's still used by a lot of old timers fer sealing jelly & jam jars, instead of using metal lids.
Smokeless is only a passing fad!

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