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Offline Buffalogun

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Difference in Pre-64-Post-64 M94 Winchesters!
« on: November 12, 2004, 01:24:59 PM »
Hi All,

The serial # on my M94 suggests that it was made in 1965. However, I can find nothing on it that even hints at a cheap made rifle.
My rifle has nice walnut wood, deep blued receiver, top ejection and a checkered steel butt-plate. No rattles when it is handled. Feels good and solid.

So, whats the difference?

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Difference in Pre-64-Post-64 M94 Winchester
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2004, 01:21:29 PM »
Although your rifle may have some left-over components, you're not going to see much difference.  In '64, Winchester went to modern manufacturing techniques, NOT cheaply made guns.  The use of castings instead of forgings; the use of NC machinery instead of hand-fitting made the making of a rifle cheaper, not a "cheap" rifle.  The rest is just hype.

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 09:27:26 AM »
Buffalogun,

I think your 94 is a Deluxe walnut modle, There should be little or no
change in the quality of the 94s untill much later in their production.
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Difference in Pre-64-Post-64 M94 Winchester
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2004, 12:51:28 PM »
Thanks guys,

oso45-70,

I was thinking that the changes may have taken place slowly, and therefore my rifle may still be like the rifles made just prior to the decision to change over. If it has any painted surfaces, I haven't detected any.
Anyway, its a shooter and I like it!

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Difference in Pre-64-Post-64 M94 Winchester
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2004, 10:58:30 AM »
I have had both pre and post 64 guns. I don't agree that the difference is hype. Also, in the 60's, Winchester had one model, there was not a "delux" walnut" model.

 Onr of the diiferences is the cartidge lifter, pre 64 guns had forged, milled steel, the post 64 guns had stamped sheet metal. Some guys had no problem with the stamped ones, but many did. They tend to wear faster, and can bend. Replacing them is easy tho. Winchester went back to the forged lifter after having trouble with the stamped ones.

 Loading gates on many of the post guns were not finished well, with poor fitting of the gate as it was folded and formed. This is also easy to replace with a newer, better made part.

 The checkered butt plates on the older guns were true raised checkering, the later guns had stamped, impressed "reverse" checkering. Better than the later plastic butt plates, but not as well made or looking as the pre 64 guns.

 The receivers of post 64 guns were cast, and the blue wore differently, and is very tough to refinish well. They usually turn purple when re-blued. This was corrected later, in about 1982 I believe, they went back to forged recievers. Receivers on post 64 guns also had very square lower edges, amaking them less comfortable to carry. Earlier guns were nicely beveled on the lower edge, with guns back in the 20's and earlier being even more beveled than later pre-64's. The older guns are very nice feeling in the hand when carrying.

 The post 64 guns are fine guns, and work well, are often capable of very good accuracy, but they just weren't made as well as earlier guns. As far as that goes, the Winchesters made up to through the change to short forends and ramp sights were even finer made than the late pre-64 guns. It has been a long slide away from a work of art to a production line product that doesn't seen to have as much character for many of us.

 I'd still take a modern Winchester over any other make, some newer guns I've seen were very slick operating, but I just like the earlier guns much better.

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2004, 03:15:05 PM »
Malamute,

Thanks for the info! I'm going to check my M94 for any of the tell tale signs.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004, 05:22:41 AM »
Buffalo, I'm sure you will get excellent service from your gun. The only real issue for me is the stamped lifter. I think the ones I bought as replacements were under $20. The couple I've replaced didn't require any fitting, they just went right in. I've had about 10 or 12 of the post 64 guns, and some of them were capable of under 1" groups @ 100 yards for 3 shots with ammo they liked, and a receiver peep sight.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2004, 04:41:01 PM »
Need to tag onto this thread for a bit of info. Has anyone had any problems fitting the buttstock from a post '64 to a pre '64 or vice a vis?? I am currently reviving a '51 model 94 that had a bad home previously. I have access to alot of sears model 54 parts, and if it is not some kind of sin, I'm gonna go ahead and build me a shooter. ( I Hope)  Thanks for any info on what parts do not interchange.... Marty