Primer Question

[Possum]

I have a Hogdon load book that calls for 35gr of H322 with Rem 9.5 primers. Then I have a .35 Rem Manual that calls for 35gr H322 with CCI Magnum primers. Then I have a Lee book that does not list the primer to use. Can I use a regular CCI large rifle primer with no ill effects? This is for a .35 Rem with a 14" Contender barrel. I am shooting a Hornady 180 gr. SP.

Thanks for the replies.

[yella hammer]

define ill effects

If it calls for a CCI mag the only "problem" with using standard I see could be less efficeient ignition with ball (I assume H322 is ball)

[KN]

I don't use CCI primers, but I do use Winchester Large rifle primers (standard). Never had any problems. KN

[Old Syko]

Possum, ya got me wunderin.  35gr. of H322 seems to be below even the listed starting load for a 180 in a 35rem.  Double check your data before you load.  Could I be not understanding something correctly?

For my use the CCI mag primer works best with H322.  I get more consistency in velocity and accuracy with this combination.  Lot of guys like other brands and that's OK also.  Gotta use what works best for you and your particular firearm, but I'll bet you'll have better luck with a mag primer with this powder which ever brand you use.

By the way, when I work up a load with H322 I increase from my starting weight only in .3gr increments as pressures seem to increase exponentially with this particular powder.  Besides, you get to shoot more this way.  It never hurts to be safe.

[Possum]

This is straight off the Hodgdon Webpag

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/rifle/35rem.php

180 GR. SPR FN
 COL: 2.470"
 
 VARGET 40.5 2196 32,500 CUP
 BL-C(2) 43.0 2147 32,300 CUP
 H335 37.5 2111 33,600 CUP
 H4895 39.0 2232 33,100 CUP
 BENCHMARK 35.0 2034 32,300 CUP
 H322 35.0 2104 33,100 CUP
 H4198 32.0 2172 33,000 CUP

Tell me if I am reading this wrong.  I am shooting a .35 Remington in a Contender 14" barrel.  Not a .35 Rem Mag.

KN, are you using that primer with a .35 Rem load?
p.s. I went back and re-read your last post in the Contender forum.  Thanks for explaining the discrepancy in the load data.  I started with 31.3gr. and I am working up to the 35gr. max.  I just used regular CCI large rifle primers and was wondering if it would dramatically affect the load.  The next round I will switch to the CCImag primer.

[Old Syko]

It seems that all manufacturers who print data have recently revamped their data.  The claim is that they have recently gotten their hands on better and more accurate testing equipment although a  lot of us feel it's a liability issue.  The printed data from Hodgdon which is also copied in the yellow contender manual that everyone uses lists 39gr. of H322 as a starting load with 42gr as max behind a 180gr. slug in the 35 Remington.  Speer and Sierra also list similar data in their manuals for same weight slugs but of different design.  This is the only reason I asked.

I've been using 39.8gr. of H322 behind a 180 Hornady FP for years with CCI mag primers, but don't try this without working your way up to it and don't try it at all if you're not comfortable with the data in the books.

[securitysix]

It seems that all manufacturers who print data have recently revamped their data.  The claim is that they have recently gotten their hands on better and more accurate testing equipment although a  lot of us feel it's a liability issue.  The printed data from Hodgdon which is also copied in the yellow contender manual that everyone uses lists 39gr. of H322 as a starting load with 42gr as max behind a 180gr. slug in the 35 Remington.  Speer and Sierra also list similar data in their manuals for same weight slugs but of different design.  This is the only reason I asked.

I've been using 39.8gr. of H322 behind a 180 Hornady FP for years with CCI mag primers, but don't try this without working your way up to it and don't try it at all if you're not comfortable with the data in the books.

This is exactly why we have manuals to check everything against and why we work up loads carefully.  

That said, work up the load with non-mag primers.  If you get up to some of the higher charges shown in other manuals, you're OK.  If you switch to mag primers in the future, work the load up again from scratch.  If you only make it to 35 grs. before you start to worry about pressure, so be it.

[ricciardelli]

Possum, ya got me wunderin.  35gr. of H322 seems to be below even the listed starting load for a 180 in a 35rem.  Double check your data before you load.  Could I be not understanding something correctly?

For Rifles:

H-322 From 31.0 grains to 35.0 grains
 Remington 9-1/2 Primer

For Handguns:
H-322 From 31.0 grains to 44.0 grains
 Remington 9-1/2 Primer

[Possum]

Thanks for all the help.  I feel comfortable going froim 31 to 35gr. to start.  If I can't settle on a load I will work another one up.  I appreciate all of the input.  Thanks!

[Muddyboots]

Loaded many years the 35 in TC Contender with 14" barrel. I have a reloading book for Contenders (The Complete Reloading Manual for Thompson Center Contenders - 1991 by Loadbooks) which shows min load for H-322 is 39.0 gr and max load for  is 42.0 gr. If you can find copy of manual the load is on page 140. I shot 39.0 with 180 Hornady SSSP bullet. Chronographed at 2150. Book called for large rifle but I used CCI Magnum pistol primers since they have softer anvil and helped prevent any potential misfire which the 35 seemed to do at times no matter what you did for case sizing. Np pressure or frame problems. Shot MOA all day with 2x6 Redfield setup on it. Killed deer out 100 yds no problem. Great load book since it listed ton of differnt calibers and loads (215 pages).