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Offline NYH1

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Possible rifle hunting in some southern zone counties !!!
« on: June 24, 2004, 06:38:03 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2004, 11:38:36 AM »
New York Hunter:  it is legal to use centerfire rifle in some counties in the southern zone already.  I used to hunt the Davenport area of the Delaware County, (zone something or another) and it was legal.  You could always determine what firearms could be used in any of the zones by either calling EnCon or 'carefully' (and I mean carefully 'cuz they don't really advertise it) review the literature you get with your hunting license each year.  HTH.  Mikey.
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2004, 02:49:13 AM »
Quote from: Mikey
New York Hunter:  it is legal to use centerfire rifle in some counties in the southern zone already.  I used to hunt the Davenport area of the Delaware County, (zone something or another) and it was legal.  You could always determine what firearms could be used in any of the zones by either calling EnCon or 'carefully' (and I mean carefully 'cuz they don't really advertise it) review the literature you get with your hunting license each year.  HTH.  Mikey.


What New York Hunter is talking about is bills introduced to allow rifle hunting in some other counties that did not before allow centerfire rifles. I believe but am not positive that the counties were Broome Chenango and Tioga. I doubt that our less than motivated NY state Politicians have even acted on these bills as they can't even get a budget or school funding passed. They can go on vacation though. It would be nice to see the use of centerfire rifles allowed in more areas though I am not going to hold my breath waiting for our politicians to actually do something.
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2004, 07:23:44 AM »
I just wish the state would decide soon! It really does not matter to me as I can kill a deer many different ways (slug gun, rifle, cap lock, in-line, flintlock) but I do need to buy a gun for my girlfriend. She has been hunting for a few yaers now, and needs a youth model gun. Just waiting to see if it should be a slug gun or a rifle.
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2004, 10:34:05 AM »
Quote from: Will_C
I just wish the state would decide soon! It really does not matter to me as I can kill a deer many different ways (slug gun, rifle, cap lock, in-line, flintlock) but I do need to buy a gun for my girlfriend. She has been hunting for a few yaers now, and needs a youth model gun. Just waiting to see if it should be a slug gun or a rifle.
Will


Our politicians can't even pass a budget on time. I wish they would decide also but I am not going to hold my breath. Seems the only thing they are on time for is their paycheck and vacation. :evil:
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2004, 01:36:05 AM »
I have written to DEC years ago, suggesting a single shot rifle season.

  I pointed out that it would probably be the safest manner of hunting.

   Hunters would "pick" their shots (as I have always done) and not "bang bang" away at running deer, personally I believe that a deer running through our dense eastern woods presents plenty of opportunity NOT to check the background BEHIND the deer.
   
    For these very reasons, I have hunted with a single shot for many years now.
   
  After my nephew got shot by a "bang bang" hunter last fall, I decided to give a sad adieu to deer hunting.

   

   If the rifle allowance comes into Cattaraugus county I may be tempted to give my old H&R tracker to a grandson and get another NEF rifle...

   I  do have an older H & R "Shikari" model in .44 magnum...that could come into use!
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2004, 02:02:08 AM »
Any "new news" on this subject?
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2004, 07:16:26 AM »
ironglow, I haven't heard anything other then what I originally posted. Being that our state law makers can't pass a budget on time, I don't think this is gonna be a real concern to them if you know what I mean! :cry:
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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2004, 05:31:43 PM »
Probably true, NY Hunter....don't expect common sense from "lawmakers".
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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2004, 02:49:12 AM »
the problem is they wrap all these laws in with the budget. So by the time the laws get passed they never take effect the year they are supposed to. I would not expect to see anything about it until next season.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2004, 04:50:51 AM »
I am also waiting for these bills to be approved but after receiving no response from NYS, I sent an e-mail to the DEC to see what they might have to say.  My message was dated 8/23/04 and on 8/25/04 I received a return e-mail as follows:

     "Neither of those bills has passed in either house yet.  You can check their current status and track them on the Assembly's website at http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/

Robert Sanford
Wildlife Biologist

At least the DEC has people that are aware of these matters and offered a quick answer to my question.

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2004, 04:57:37 PM »
Always wondered why they allow us to use a centerfire pistol with a 15" barrel but wont allow us to use the same caliber in a rifle that may only be a few inches longer.   :roll:
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2004, 12:32:38 AM »
new York logic. What else can I say
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2004, 10:26:01 AM »
TCShooter,

I contacted Jim Seward; the NYS Senator for my area(Otsego County) and he agreed that it doesn't make sense either to allow people to use rifle calibers in handguns with long barrels and not rifles. Also many in-line muzzleloaders are 150-200 yd. guns. At least he has the common sense to see this and supports the idea.

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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2004, 11:16:25 AM »
Hey Qtip we probably aren't that far apart...I'm about 5-10 miles from Otsego County.  Anyway I got a mailing from Seward and he is very hunter/sportsman friendly.  Wish I kept it but it talked about the ridiculous fees that the powers to be wanted to impose on pistol permit holders and lots of other gun issues.  He supports us and I support him!
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2004, 01:04:50 AM »
My guess and that is what it would be is there are not that many guys with legal handguns and not everyone can get one. And the muzzleloading when it was put in place fopr muzzleloaders, there wasn't the better equipment there is today. I am in total agreement the law needs to be changed, but those are my theories as to why they allow those firearms and not rifles.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2004, 01:07:32 AM »
You guys must be talkin' out west. I've been hunting with a rifle 20 miles north of the Jersey border for most of my 58 years. Yea, there have been numerous attempts over the years to convert Orange co. to shotgun,
always connected to some bonehead shooting someone through an unsafe act, rather than the inherrent risk of rifles in suburbia. Wonder where this is all going from a transplanted North Carolinian, who travels home to the Hudson Valley each year, to relive my deer hunting youth.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2004, 01:06:51 PM »
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I have written to DEC years ago, suggesting a single shot rifle season.

  I pointed out that it would probably be the safest manner of hunting.

   Hunters would "pick" their shots (as I have always done) and not "bang bang" away at running deer, personally I believe that a deer running through our dense eastern woods presents plenty of opportunity NOT to check the background BEHIND the deer.
   
    For these very reasons, I have hunted with a single shot for many years now.
   
  After my nephew got shot by a "bang bang" hunter last fall, I decided to give a sad adieu to deer hunting.

   

   If the rifle allowance comes into Cattaraugus county I may be tempted to give my old H&R tracker to a grandson and get another NEF rifle...

   I  do have an older H & R "Shikari" model in .44 magnum...that could come into use!


I too am a proponent of single shot guns. I hunted for years with a single shot pistol. I believe that experience made me a  better more patient hunter. One well placed shot equates to a clean quick kill. Everytime you hear someone empty their shotgun on a deer, odds are that deer is running untouched.

I also hunt in Cattaraugus Co. My weapons of choice are single shots. The T/C Contender pistol, my latest a T/C Encore 209x50 muzzleloader, and if they legalize centerfire rifle in the southern zone that Encore frame will be sporting a 7mm08 or such barrel.

Take one and make it your best shot. :grin:
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2004, 12:37:46 PM »
If rifles are allowed in "Broome, Chenango, and Tioga" , I think I will probably give up hunting the regular season. There are enough morons out there now who can't hit a deer at 50 yards, and they are gonna let them trade their shotguns for rifles and blast away at 400 or more ? Sorry, I think I'll pass.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2004, 02:06:23 PM »
Ramrod;
   That's why I have supported a single shot rifle season for years now!
   You don't get a lot of "bang bang"...they don't like to waste the only shot they may get!

  Str8shooter;
 
   Where do yopu hunt in Catt county...northeast corner perhaps?
If so; you're in my "neck of the woods"..
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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2004, 10:32:41 AM »
I like the idea of a single shot rifle season in the southern zone. This would give me a reason to tell the people that thought I was nuts for paying the money for an Encore 209x50. Hey change the barrel on you CVA or Omega to a 308 and lets go deer hunting. :)
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