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Offline Toasty

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« on: June 03, 2003, 05:30:19 PM »
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I need help choosing my first firearm.  This gun's main purpose is for defense.  I want a basic gun that works and does not break easily.  Something reliable enough for infrequent use.  I do not want anything too fancy, just something that will enable me to protect me and my family from would be attackers.  Thanks so much for your time.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2003, 07:26:41 PM »
If you want something to take out and shoot for fun, get a Ruger 10-22, if you want the best home defence, get a pump shot-gun.  The virtue of a pump shot gun is the noise that it makes when you chamber a shell.  Any would-be-intruder will clear out real fast and you dont have to worry about whether you did the right thing shooting somebody.  The Mossberg 500 is a good starter nshotgun, reliable, effective, and inexpensive.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2003, 09:31:16 PM »
Oh trust me, I have no qualms about killing an intruder, perfectly biblical and morally okay.  If I feel my family is in danger, the intruder has got to go lol.  The only real problem is our damned legal system that often times persecutes people for defending themselves.  But thanks for the advice.  I kinda want to start with a basic handgun.  I'l look into the Ruger 10-22.  Thanks again.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2003, 10:18:36 PM »
If you are looking for a handgun, Ruger makes several economical and very tough guns that are good for beginners and experienced alike.  The Mark II semi auto is a great gun for the money and comes in a lot of models. If you want a single action revolver ( cowboy style) look into Ruger  single six or bear cat models.  If you want a double action (police style) revolver try their SP models.  

Or look into Taurus double action 22 revolvers.

For defense the .22 long rifle isn't most folk's first choice - but it can do the job.  But for learning handgun basics there is no better or economical place to start.  It takes lots of shooting to even  begin to get good with a hand gun - I'm still not very good and I've shot for over 25 years.  

Once you get the hang of the 22 handgun you can look into the heavier calber  defense guns like 38s .357, 9mm etc.  Good luck.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2003, 03:16:52 AM »
I think you should do more homework to find out what you want before just buying something.  Firearms span a huge spectrum of applications and until you have a particular application in mind, you won't know what you should own.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2003, 03:26:39 AM »
I wouldn't recommend a 22.  These are great if you plan on doing a lot of shooting, but are a poor choice for home defense.  The Mossberg 500 would be excellent for home defense.  In a pistol I would suggest a 38 or 357 revolver.   These are simple and reliable and if for some reason a round failed to go off, you just pull the trigger again.
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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2003, 04:28:59 AM »
Toasty:  since this if for home defense my suggestion is for a plain jane 38 special.  You can, or used to be able to find Police trade-ins that are very good bargains.  My preference is for the Smith and Wesson Model 10 with a 4" barrel, whether the standard tapered barrel or the heavy barrel, both are excellent choices.

With the 38 Special, ammunition is very inexpensive and there are tons available.  I would suggest beginning with target loads (called wadcutters), as they are of low velocity and recoil and are an excellent way to begin to learn how to shoot that particular revolver.  Unless you wife is so diminutive that she needs to carry a pocketful of spare change on a windy day, such a revolver would be adequate and should be fairly easy for her to learn to shoot.  I would avoid semi-auto pistols and small bore calibers like the 22, 25 or 32.  If you can find a used 38 Special I feel that would be the ticket for you.

In addition, the 38 Special caliber is quite adequate for personal or home defense without even having to go to 'hot' or 'magnum type' loads.  If you choose not to go that route, my next suggestion would be for a double barrel 'coach gun' (short shotgun) of 20 guage.  With either you wouldn't need anything else.  Mikey.

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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2003, 07:37:55 AM »
Let the beating of the dead horse begin.....:

A shotgun is the best choice, as already pointed out.  My choice would be a Mossberg 500 or 590, again, already been pointed out.  Any good pump action will do, as will any good semi-auto shotgun.  If a guy could find a good side-by-side doublebarrel with exposed hammers, it would be a primo choice, too, though limited in capacity.

A rifle might not be a bad choice either, especially one chambered for a handgun cartridge.  A lever gun in .357 Mag, .44 Mag, or .45 Colt would be a great choice for a couple of reasons.  Rifles are generally easier to shoot well than are handguns.  Even a .30-30 rifle would work, though I'd be leery of that.  A pump-action rifle would be good here, too, and some are available in pistol calibers (IMI Timberwolf, anyone?).  Ruger makes a carbine available in 9mm and .40 S&W that uses the same magazines as the Ruger semi-auto pistols, and would make a good companion for them.

If you insist on a handgun, a double-action revolver would be the weapon of choice, keeping in mind that your primary concern is home defense.  Any good 4-6" .357 Mag loaded with anything from standard pressure .38 Special on up will do just fine.  A .44 Mag/Special loaded with good .44 Special defensive ammo would do well, too.  In either of these chamberings or a handgun in .45 Colt, you can double it up with your rifle and use the same ammunition for both.  Revolvers require a minimum amount of maintenance (one of your requirements) and can sit forever without springs weakening while loaded.

If you prefer a semi-automatic, any good double-action or double-action only pistol will work, though I wouldn't recommend one given your criteria.

Now, you say "I need help choosing my first firearm. This gun's main purpose is for defense. I want a basic gun that works and does not break easily. Something reliable enough for infrequent use. I do not want anything too fancy, just something that will enable me to protect me and my family from would be attackers. Thanks so much for your time."  Most folks here are probably taking that to mean that you have never shot before (inexperienced shooter).  If this is the case, get a good .22 rifle and/or revolver and practice with it until you are comfortable before buying your defensive weapon.  The .22 will be better than nothing until then, though far from ideal.  If you've shot before and just don't have any guns of your own (experienced shooter), then you're ready to jump right in and can follow the advice of others.  The consensus seems to be "A good shotgun is best, a good revolver is suitable."  There are so many options in between that it would take days to write up all of the options and the pros and cons of each.  Ultimately, it's up to you and you should get what you're comfortable with.

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2003, 07:43:58 AM »
I have been looking into this stuff a little bit, but still have quite a bit more research to do.  Quick question here:  I have heard the terms single action and double action.  Can someone help me understand what this means?  Oh yea, one more thing.  The main reason I am not getting a shotty for home defense is, well, i'm only in college and still live in my parents house lol.  Getting them to allow me to have a pistol in the house is going to be hard enough.  But if I be persistent and annoying, I think eventually they will give way.  But I know they wouldn't let me have a shotty.  That will probably be too big and scary for them lol.  Oh well, what are ya gonna do right?  Thanks again for the helpful advice.  Researching all the advice you gave me in this thread is gonna take me some time, seeing that so many of these terms are foreign to me.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2003, 07:49:02 AM »
Single action is a revolver that requires the shooter to pull the hammer back before each shot - not a good choice for home defense in your case.
Double actions require the shooter only to pull the trigger, cocking the hammer back prior to the shot is optional.  
In a home defense situation simple is better.  You don't want a single.
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2003, 04:30:01 PM »
I agree with Mikey, a 38 special is all you need and they can be found at
 a very reasonable price. If you go to buy a used gun take a friend along
 that knows firearms. In this way you will get a good used gun and not
 a piece of junk. The main thing is to practice, Get to know what you have.
 should the time ever come that you need it you will have some idea what
 to do. Who knows you may like shooting and become a gun nut like the
 rest of us. Gook Luck, Keep in mind that a 357 mag will also shoot the 38
 special round.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2003, 08:45:57 PM »
Pick up a Rugder SP101 load it with .38 special and sleep easy.  You do not want to fire .357 in the house.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2003, 03:31:09 AM »
No doubt about it, when you specify primary use as defense, and used infrequently, the obvious choice is a 38/357 revolver. There are so many good choices out there, anything made by S&W, Ruger, Tarus, or even Charter will do nicely.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2003, 04:46:34 AM »
I think the overall winner is a double action .38/.357.  My Mossberg 500 has the regular composite stock and forend, but I have the pistol grips for it, that really shortens up the length.  The shorter length of a defensive weapon, the less likely it is that someone can grab it from you, deflect it, etc.  Whatever you choose, have fun practicing with it!
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2003, 08:08:44 PM »
Toasty,

If I may make a suggestion...

You aren't ready for the shopping trip yet.  Is there anyone in your family who owns a gun?  Is there a neighbor who hunts, shoots, anything?  Is there a club in your town?  You need to spend some time with shooters.  You will find that in most cases they are very generous, kind hearted people who would love to help you learn more about guns, ammunition, reloading and a lot of other stuff that you need to know.

In the process you will probably fire a lot of different guns belonging to these people and then be in a better position to decide what would work best for you.  Also, probe into what happens to people in your town who do use a firearm for defense.  You may decide to not get one.  On the other hand, some places are defender-friendly.

Anyway, good luck with it.

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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2003, 09:45:07 AM »
Excellent advice, Paul!

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