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Offline devolve

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« on: January 01, 2005, 04:36:31 PM »
I have been hunting for many years very successfully. This will be my first year with a muzzeloader. I bought a CVA Optima Pro. From what I have read it will be a good gun for the two muzzleoader seasons we have hear. It will only get used about three weeks a year.

Question I have is... do you really need 150 grains of powder to reach out and touch em? And with this gun can you really shoot accuratley out to 200 yards?

I am planning on using 777 pellets and power belt bullets. Most of my shots will be 150 and under. I would like my zero to be at 125 if possible.
Has anyone used the special bullet starter for the power belts?

Any pointers will help. Take it easy on me...I've been a bow only guy for the last 10 years. :) :lol:

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2005, 05:12:28 PM »
Devolve, 100 grains of 777 under a 295 Power Belt will be all you need for the short to medium ranges you are talking (where most deer are shot). 100 grains of any of the various forms of muzzleloading propellent seems to be the most popular whitetail load in an inline.
Power Belts load easy enough in my T/C Omega that I don't have to use a bullet starter at all, just the ramrod.
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2005, 04:01:39 PM »
Do you ever have a problem with the ramrod changing the shape of the bullet tip, then causing it not to fly correctly?

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2005, 05:31:46 PM »
Not with the bullets I have been using in my Omega. However, thats only been hollow points so far, the 295 Power Belt at first, and currently a 300 grain Hornady XTP (.44 cal). Any other bullet may, or may not, need a bullet starter or ramrod tip designed to fit it's nose.
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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2005, 05:25:09 AM »
Welcome!
  150 grains is definitely not necessary.  In fact, I have never gotten any of my guns to shoot accurately at 150 grains (or its 777 equivalent of about 130 grains).  I use 110 grains of 777, which is worth roughly 130 grains of Pyrodex or blackpowder.  I hunted previous to this season with the standard 100 grain load.  When I started muzzleloading, I have 6-8 very successful seasons with 85 grains pyrodex at ranges up to 150 yards.  You don't need to obliterate the deer to kill it  :lol:
   The first thing is to find a bullet and powder combination that your gun likes.  Surprisingly, muzzleloaders can be VERY finicky about what they will shoot accurately.  At 100 yards a gun might shoot 5" groups with one bullet/powder combo but 1" groups with another.  So the first thing to do is make sure your gun will shoot the bullet you want accurately.  Best thing is to start at 80 grains of powder and work your way up until accuracy suffers (or you reach your desired powder charge and recoil, whichever comes first).  
   If you are thinking of shooting over 100 yards, I suggest you shoot your gun fairly frequently.  If you are thinking of shooting 150-200 yards, you are likely going to need to put at least 100-200 rounds through the gun each year to keep your skills up and be able to shoot tight groups "out there" (the more the better).  Once the gun is sighted in I suggest shooting as often as possible under field conditions, ie no bench and just the support you'd expect to have in the field.  One of the hardest parts about long shots is KNOWING the range, since the bullet is dropping pretty quickly at 150-200 yards and a mistake in range estimation could lead to a miss or wounding.  I have a laser rangefinder; alternatively, you can practice a lot and see how you do estimating, or pre-measure landmarks from your stand.
   Good luck!

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2005, 11:40:56 AM »
thanks for the info.

I will hit the range this weekend and figure out what is best with this thing!

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2005, 12:48:23 PM »
I would have to agree with AndyHass 100%.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2005, 01:21:32 PM »
My brother has the Optima.  He's using the 245 gr powerbelt hollow points and the only way he can get it to group is with 150 grains of powder.  With that load he is getting the same point of impact at 50 and 100 yards.