Hog Anatomy 101 A.K.A. Put my boolit where?

[Haywire Haywood]

Can someone direct me to a drawing/photo of a hog with the innards drawn in so I can see where what is?  From the little that I have read, shooting a hog like you would a deer just pisses him off really good.

thanks,
Ian

[txbuzzardbait]

This may help you put your boolit where it counts.

http://www.texasboars.com/anatomy.html

CG

[JJHACK]

That texas boars site is good but the photo's are not as well done as they could be. Here are a couple more I think show a bit better idea of the anatomy:





the above two are from a book I have




compare these two actual dissection photo's with the shot placement above


actual shot placed with my arrow/broadhead direct heart shot


internal view of heart sliced open from same pig as above


Big Boars have other issues as well. Like getting through the 1.5" thick gristle to get into the heart and lungs. Use something that makes a big enough hole to have a blood trail too!

[Haywire Haywood]

Much thanks Gents, exactly what I was looking for and more.  I'll be using NEF's Handi-rifle in 500 S&W Mag with 400gr hard cast if the hunt I'm looking at goes down.  Should accomplish complete penetration at the ranges I'm willing to shoot at. (<100yds)

Ian

[JJHACK]

On an uncastrated older mature boar I would not automatically expect an exit hole. Don't underestimate the thickness of that hide and how hard it is. I have seen that skin stop the bullets from VERY powerful cartridges. On boars up to 200 pounds it's not that big of a deal. But on an  300 pound real boar, not a castrated "stocked" pig. The skin will be very difficult to get through on the off side. This is Americas only pachyderm. You can experience what it's like shooting thick skinned game with the bigger wild hogs

[Ditchdigger]

JJHack is right, I personally witnessed 44 mag's bounce off the shoulders on some.I shoot behind the shoulder or a neck shot. They rarely ever go down on the spot and can go 80 yds with there heart and lungs blown out a 5" exit hole from a 180 gr. BT at 3175 fps in a 300 Wby. I've shot 2 with the mighty 45 70 that did'nt go down either. All were shot behind the shoulder. Digger

[Haywire Haywood]

Hmmm. :shock: . mebbe I better rethink my cartridge of choice.  I'd like to be sure of a passthrough...   I have a 45/70 but in a 32" barrel.. not exactly a brush gun.  :?

Ian

Edit:  Cast Performance makes a 440gr for the 500S&W also, that might be a better choice with it's better SD.

[Ditchdigger]

Haywire I think the 500 will be enough,just shoot behind the shoulder or a neck shot and you'll be okay. I got exits on the 300 gr. Win. loads but they did not expand much and fat will plug the holes,making for a hard tracking job. I lost a 450 pd. one like that when I lost the trail,and there was briar thickets close by. Digger

[Varmint Hunter]

HH,

I think you 50S&W will be more than adequate to anchor big hogs. I can't imagine a 400gr hardcast bullet not plowing right through.

I shot a 325lb boar with my SRH 454 and a Swift 300gr A-Frame bullet. The big Swift bullet smashed through the grizzle plate on the near side, traveled through the hog, and exited on the opposite side. Boar ran 40 yards but left a blood trail 3 feet wide :shock:

A 50S&W fired from a rifle packs more punch, carries more bullet weight and starts out with a larger frontal diameter.  WHOOMMMP.  :roll:  You got em'.  :wink:

VH

[Graybeard]

People do seem to get a tad carried away on the subject of the danger of hogs as well as the difficulty of killing them. All it takes is a properly placed bullet really. Back when I was a boy we raised hogs to sell and a .22 short between the eyes killed every one of them we raised for many years. Now that's NOT a hunting load recommendation cuz most likely a wild hog isn't gonna stand there facing you at a few feet waiting for you to turn his lights out.

But I have turned out the lights on one big boar from about 15' off my boot tips with a .44 Mag using 300 XTP. Nope he wasn't standing around waiting either. He was headed rat at me.

I've used the .44 magnum on them more than anything else and always found it adequate. Have also shot them with .41 mag,  .480 Ruger, .30-06, 7-30 Waters, 7-08 and likely others I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Unless you're hunting in a fenced area where they've stocked some really big boys for you then most likely what you see will be younger and smaller ones. Yeah you "might" run into the big one on your trip to TN with the GBO Hog hunt crew you'll be more likely to not even see one at all than to see a 300+ pounder.

I'd just go with a hard cast (WW is fine) weighting not less than 250 grains moving not less than 1000 fps and if you put the bullet where it belongs Mr. hog will be having dinner with you. He will be guest of honor at the table.

[Haywire Haywood]

Ok, it's decided then. I'm gonna hunt with 22 shorts out of my Single Six.  hehe.  
I'm think I'm gonna order some 440s.  Book velocity from a 10"barrel is about 1650 with a max load of H110, hoping I can back it a little off from max and still get 1700 from the 22" when all's said and done.  We'll see.  In any case, I'm sure it'll be enough.  These are feral hogs, not the Bigguns anyway.

thanks for the input,
Ian

[IntrepidWizard]

The Kalitaxia Coastal Boar is a cross do to Hearst of a domestic pig and the double tusked Husqvarna,and is a dangerous animal,as I have stated a frontal head shot of about 75 feet with a 3030 170 gr ricochet off like a 3030 on a Abrams tank.

[Uncle Ji]

Here's another just fer giggles...



My boar gun of choice for almost 30 years has been my 1894 Marlin in 44 mag using 240 JSPs over 24 grains of H110.  It's been 100% one shot stops, never let me down.  500 S&W may be a tad overkill but i'm sure alot of fun.   Where did you pick up your 500 S&W barrel?

[Lawdog]

IntrepidWizard,

The Kalitaxia Coastal Boar is a cross do to Hearst of a domestic pig and the double tusked Husqvarna,and is a dangerous animal,as I have stated a frontal head shot of about 75 feet with a 3030 170 gr ricochet off like a 3030 on a Abrams tank.

Yeah I have had the same experience with the Russian crossbreeds here in California.  And those razor sharp tusks can/will ruin your day if you give them half a chance.  Anyone that doesn’t believe that these qualify as dangerous game, I know a couple of hunters that can show you the results of miss judging them.  Lawdog
 

[Haywire Haywood]

Where did you pick up your 500 S&W barrel?

Haven't got it yet, NEF was supposed to release them in December,  Getting the first one Raynor gets his hands on.  Hopefully that will be in time for the hunt.  If not, looks like 12ga punkinballs out of my coach gun.

Ian

[crawfish]

Between the members of my family we have killed 6, as of 4 weeks ago that were over 300, all were killed with 250g or 255g hard cast .41 caliber bullets. 4 were killed with a .41RemMag and two (mine) were killed with a .41GNR#2 14-inch Reeder Custom Contender. 6 bullets center front shoulder pass through at from 12-36 yards. 4 dropped in place with broken shoulders, 2 ran less that 10 feet with one broken shoulder, missed the off side. Use the CORRECT bullet, pick your shots, and they die just fine. Don’t let all the horror stories about bullet proof pigs rattle you before you even start, rest assured you will be rattled enough when you are amongst the beasts. Coach gun??? You mean a short DB 12ga with external hammers…. If that is correct I’d sure look a getting some Lightfield lites for it if it will take modern loads.

[Haywire Haywood]

As an update, I've decided not to get the 500.  After much conversation  up in the NEF forums about the 45-70 vs the 500, I decided there were too many issues concerning limited potential from the longer barrel and too few component choices..  I ordered a 45-70 Handi yesterday.

Ian

[tbull55]

What do you guys think about using the Rossi 45 colt for Boar hunting?