remington 700

[Rimfirekid1022]

im really thinkin about gettin a 700 in a 22-250 for targets and varmints.  i think i either want to get the VLS or the VSSF II. my friend was sayin i should get the VLS because the wooden stock is more acurate for shootin groups than a synthetic. is this true??  from personal experience which of these rifles would shoot better?? also do these rifles i mentioned have the remington 2 stage trigger or the 3 stage trigger?? how low can the triggers be safely worked down to?? any other suggestions or experiences with the VSF, the other remington varmint rifle, or any other rifles like this would be appreciated. thanks,
joseph

[Graybeard]

Doubt you'll see any real difference in accuracy between the two of them. Both should be capable of 1/2 MOA with loads they like. Just get the one that appeals most to you.

I've heard of two stage triggers but never seen a Remington with one. I've been around a lot of years and have never heard of a three stage trigger. Have no clue what you're talking about with that one. All the Remington rifles come with a single stage trigger, ie no take up before it tightens to fire. They are adjustable usually down to about 3 pounds safely. If you need less an after market trigger is your best bet.

[Rimfirekid1022]

Thanks a lot greybeard!! im leanin towards the model vsf. i wanna actually look and hold one though before i make my decision though.  when you say its capable of 1/2 inch groups with loads they like. do you mean with handloads or just factory loads??  i could be wrong about the triggers. i just heard it from my friend last night who is a gun nut. i would definately want the pull to be safe but lower than 3 pounds.  i was just lookin through a cabelas catalog and saw the rifle basix trigger. would this be a good one?? you can get a 1.5 pound to 3 pound, a 8oz to 1.5 pounds, a 2oz to 6oz, and a 4oz to 20oz. which one should i get if i mainly gonna be shootin targets and prairie dogs and coyotes?? thanks,
joseph

[safetysheriff]

why not use an RCBS trigger gauge and the instructions from www.centerfirecentral.com to set it up yourself?    cheaper than buying a trigger and probably just as good from what i've seen.    my friends .22-250 in ADL Syn' has been a tack driver from the get-go......once we adjusted the trigger.   no other work done on that rifle.   we left it factory pressure-bedded in that 'cheap' Rem' synthetic stock when we re-assembled if, and it shoots like a custom rifle, i'd say.    (i've never needed a custom rifle so haven't tried tuning or handloading one).  

i'm not saying you should buy an 'ADL'; only that you should do the work yourself if you've got the mechanical ability.

good luck either way.

take care,

ss'

[Graybeard]

What load any individual gun will like is anyone's guess. Many times factory ammo is as acccurate or at times even more than than reloads. You just have to try them and see. I used to have a Browning Low Wall in .243 Win. that shot nearly everything well. Most loads factory or reloads would go into 0.4" to 0.8" at 100 yards for three shots. But the Hornady factory loads with the 58 grain V-MAX shot about 0.25" consisitently. Never found a reload to match it. That's really NOT uncommon for Hornady ammo in my experience. Not the 1/4" groups but it shooting as well as or better than reloads.

Why do you think you need a less than three pound trigger? I find too light more of a problem than too heavy. Have you ever fired a gun with an 8 oz. trigger? I have and I fired before I even knew I was touching the trigger about half the time. I refuse to have a gun in my house since then with a trigger pull under 32 oz and prefer 48 oz.

The R700 trigger can be safely taken down to three pounds and some a wee bit less. Unless you have a lot of experience with lighter triggers I think you'll be making a mistake to have one lighter. If you have to ask then you have no business with a less than three pound trigger in my opinion. They can hurt more than help and even be down right dangerous in the hands of someone not used to them.

[dave375hh]

Rimfirekid,
I recommend the VSSF over the VLS simply because the stock is more stable. I had a VLS that had a warped forend( It was bent to the right side). The original VSSF's had a H-S Precision stock with the aluminum bedding block. I don't think H-S still makes the stocks for Rem but the stocks are copied after them. The warped VLS stock was replaced with a H-S VSSF 700 style stock.
 
The 700 trigger can be adjusted to just under 3 lbs as Graybeard said. If you've never done one, and or others, take it to a 'smith..I installed a Rifle Basix trigger on this rifle and I love them for the price. Switching the safety and the bolt release from the factory trigger to the Basix was a little tricky for my pudgy fingers. I must have dropped that detent ball a doz. times. when first installed the pull was 8oz, I raised it to 1 lb and absolutely love it!  This is a varmint/target rifle and is single loaded only, so the light trigger is an asset to me.

[Rimfirekid1022]

Thanks dave!!  i dont really like the look much of the vls either.  i think now its just down between the model VSF (same as VSSF but with desert color stock and blued barrel and receiver) the VSSF II and the original VSSF.  i like the looks most of the VSSF and 2nd the VSF and 3rd the VSSF II.  i dont really like the look of the of the VSSF II how the flutes are blued and the barrel is stainless. i like the look of the black web stock the most, but desert color one is good too.  so i gues the VSSF is my best choice. its not on remingtons website but ive found them on gunbroker.com. The VSF and VSSF II have the h.s. stock still. would the VSSF have the H.S. stock??  why doesnt remington have the VSSF anymore on their website?? would it be as accurate as the VSF and VSSF II??  i have definately and do definately shoot light triggers all the time so its no problem for me. also it will be a target/varmint gun so i would want a nice light trigger pull. thanks for the help.
joseph

[Rimfirekid1022]

I changed my mind!! i still want a remington. but i want a caliber that is still in the varmint caliber range but has more power and is legal to deer hunt with.  i wanna get it in a .243. the only problem is the only remington varmint gun that comes in a .243 is the VLS. the one i like the least.  the reason i dont like the VLS is because the stock. im not a huge fan of the look of the laminated stocks. they just look sort of fake to me. could i get the VLS in .243 and then get a H.S. stock for it??  i really like the black with grey web H.S. stock. could i get this stock for the gun with the aluminum bedding block and then just sell the laminated wood stock on ebay or somethin?? thanks,
joseph

[Ponydog]

The .243 is an excellent caliber...( my son has one in a Handi , and has dropped many a deer with it).....I am on the same page as you looking for a varmit gun..and caliber.......just seems you have an excellent option to get a Remington CDL in a .223....it has a wood stock , beautiful semi dark satin walnut...looks great....I want one myself......so I thought I'd put someone in the mood to buy one....haha.....I want SOMEONE to have one and tell me how it shoots...so I can have another quest....

[Rimfirekid1022]

thanks ponydog! the .243 is a great caliber. i shot my first deer with it.  i love the look of the CDL. its a beautiful rifle, but im looking for something in more of a varmint configuration like a heavy barrel and wide foreend. also i could be wrong about this but on the remington website the CDL right hand model doesnt come in .223 but the left handed one does. dont ask me why!! anybody got any thoughts on my plan of buying the VLS in .243 and gettin a H.S. synthetic for it?  do they even make a H.S. synthetic stock like the one on the VSSF and VSSF II for the VLS, if so where could i find one?? thanks,
joseph

[dave375hh]

Rimfirekid,
H-S Precision makes the exact same stock as the Rem. VSSF. Mainly because they made them for the first Rem. factory VSSF's. I got mine in dark gray with black spiderweb just to be different. It cost me right at $300 in 1999. I thin coat glassed the stock bedding because the rifle was blueprinted and that includes a truing cut on the rear of the recoil lug. It's a 6MM-284 win. that started out as a .243 Win.VLS.

[Rimfirekid1022]

Thanks dave!! so the vssf synthetic stock will fit the vls?? if so where can i find one of these?? could someone post a link to somewhere for me. i looked at H.S.'s website and i couldnt find one that says it fits the VLS all i could find was talkin about the ADL and BDL same with cabelas catalog. any help appreciated!!
joseph

[dave375hh]

Rimfirekid,
A VLS is the same action type as a BDL. The listings of ADL/BDL pertain to the action inletting(with/without a floor plate). When you place an order just tell them that it's a varmint wt bbl. and they'll inlet it accordingly. I ordered mine over the phone and the lady I talked to knew all the questions to ask so I got exactly what I wanted. I'd recommend ordering over the phone for this reason. If you have questions write them down before you call. There are no stupid questions other than the ones you forget to ask.

[Rimfirekid1022]

Thanks dave! should i order it directly from H.S. or could i get it at cabelas or midway usa?  If i could get it at cabelas or basspro or midway i could probably get it cheaper than directly from H.S.  also would the .243 be a short action. i heard somewhere that it was a medium action?? thanks!
joseph

[muzzleblast525]

I had the Remington 700 LVSF i n 22-250 and loved it.  But, I traded it this summer for a Remington Light Varmit in 7mm-08 and love it......

[Rimfirekid1022]

Thanks a lot guys!  i still need some help on findin the stock. cablelas is just confusing me with them. In the catalog looking at the H.S. stocks it says, "Available in two colors, black and black web, and in two designs, classic sporter and varmint models."  The classic sporter looks just like a normal stock design on say a CDL, but the varmint model has a wide beavertail forend. what i cant figure out is if the "varmint models" have a heavy barrel barrel channel or if its a normal sporter barrel barrel channel.  On the purchase code guide thingy the model i guess is the correct one is, "Rem. 700 BDL SA (short action) Varmint" Also if you look at these stocks in a recent cabelas catalog it shows a picture of each of the stocks a with a barreled action in it. if you look at the pictures the bottom one is the sporter stock and the top one is the Varmint stock because of the wide beavertail forend. if you look at the pictures carefully the varmint stock model looks like it is in a heavy barreled action where as the sporter stock model has a much skinnier barrel.  Will you guys please look in a cabelas catalog for me and tell me what you think.  Because if i can get the heavy barrel stock in cabelas for $289.99 instead of $325 directly from H.S. i would much rather not spend an extra 35 dollars because i wasnt sure which model it was in cabelas. Thanks so much. i owe you guys one!!
joseph

[dave375hh]

Rimfirekid,
The varmint model stock will have a heavy barrel forend. The Rem actions are either short or long, there is no medium. Your .243 is a short action.

[Rimfirekid1022]

Thanks a lot dave!! youve been a huge help!!
joseph

[jim21]

All I can say is I got the 700 with a Beautiful wood stock in 25-06 and it shoots like a dream.