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Offline Steve E

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« on: November 29, 2004, 04:44:43 PM »
Planning on buying a new 4x4 quad next year, have enjoyed both 4x4 Big Bears I had in the past. I was wondering if anyone has first hand experience with the new 750 Brute Force? First off I don't ride tight trails so size is no concern and I have a trailer to haul it on. None of the other brand big bores appeal to me, I guess it's just that V twin engine. I have sat on one at the dealer. It felt good just sitting there(sitting still and not running doesn't matter much). I did like the looks of it. Any info is appreciated. Wonder whats next ........maybe a 1000cc parallel twin

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2004, 03:42:11 AM »
I haven't driven one, but yesterday ATV Television did a review of the 750cc Brute Force.  You might see if you get that channel in your area and watch for a repeat.  For Direct TV, it is channel 606 I believe.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2004, 08:35:26 AM »
Steve you won't be sorry if you get a BF that's for sure.  Buddy of mine bought a 650 Honda about 4 months ago and after less than 100 miles that fancy transmission went belly up for no reason.  The dealer wanted to be a pain about fixing it under warranty so luckily he found a dealer about 125 miles away that promptly repaired and replaced everything that needed to be no questions asked.  A few days later the front diff came apart which proved to be the last straw.  He dropped off the Honda and brought home a BF.  I always thought if I rode nothing but hard pack trails for long distances the Honda would be the thing to have because of the smooth ride but I now know the Kawasaki even has that beat.  On top of the ride the Kaw has unbelievably more power and is more agile to boot.

I ride and work a 2002 650 Prairie that suits my needs and riding style just fine with the mods I've made and the attachments I have for it so I won't be trading soon but if I were to trade now there would be a BF in my garage.  When I bought the Prairie it was a hard choice between the Prairie and the Grizzly but I chose the Prairie because the IRS of the Grizzly just didn't give me the sport feel I wanted.  The BF comes real close to doing that now.  

The only other bike I might consider would be the new big bore Suzuki and I say that only because I've not yet gotten to take one off the road but it may have potential from what friends have told me.  I pay little attention to magazine reviews and the like other than to get a list of features on different bikes.  Anything else they want to tell you is nothing but a bought and paid for opinion.  Have the dealer pull that thing outside and let you ride it.  If they won't, then try another dealer otherwise how do you know you like it?  If you are used to a Big Bear you are going to be in for a major shock on your first ride.  Good luck.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2004, 02:51:25 PM »
Thanks Markc, I get that channel on Digi. Cable but I wasn't in yesterday and missed it.
Old Syko, I'm definitely going to ride one before I buy it. The dealers over here don't even prep most of the bikes they sell till they absolutely have to. I only know of 2 dealers within 2500 miles. No I'm not stuck in a 3rd world country, I'm stuck in Hawaii(Oahu, Hickam AFB). I won't be buying one over here, I'll wait till next year when I get back to America. What are they going for back there? The dealer over here I believe said it would be $8915.00 out the door.

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2004, 02:01:23 AM »
Steve when you get your feet back on solid ground you'll find prices to be as much as $2000 less than what you've been quoted over there.  The price varies even here depending on which part of the country you settle into.  2 dealers here within 125 miles of one another show a $1,200 difference so plan on shopping around a bit.

Speaking of third world countries.  My daughter and son-in-law are presently stationed at Cannon AFB in Clovis N.M.  My daughter would trade with you in a heartbeat just for the chance to lay on the beach a bit.  I'm afraid a very cold and hostile foreign country may be in their future.

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2004, 04:58:47 AM »
I enjoy watching the reviews so that I can see the thing in action, learn what features it has, but like you don't let the things they say determine whether or not I make the purchase.  I didn't pay much attention to the review the other day, so I can't even comment on what was said.  The host usually is very pro Kawasaki, as am I.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2004, 06:31:46 AM »
Well, I guess I could field something on this one based on the type of hard riding we do which consists mostly of mud bogging, but we do push the machines to their limits.

Kawasaki 750 Brute Force:
First off, weak tie rods…very weak. If you do a lot of rough riding you will more than likely bend them pretty easily. I have talked to tons of people that have bent them doing almost nothing. Good thing about this is that tie rods are cheap to replace. What I did on my Grizzly is take the tie rod off and make a sleeve to go over it and then put it back on. This will reinforce it to assure you are not left on the trail somewhere.

The engine on the BF is pretty much the same tried and true Kawasaki design they have been using the last few years with a catch. The bore is so big on this engine that a lot of people have experienced some pretty severe overheating issues. I have even talked to a guy that rode one at the dealer and overheated on a test drive.

Air intake is another problem if you like riding in deep water or just splashing around in shallow water going fast. The air box is where the gas tank normally is on most other quads and has insufficient water protection pretty much letting in splashing water. This is another major complaint I have heard and seen first hand. About the only way to deal with this is with snorkels. The big bored engine is very thirsty and will suck in every little bit of water you throw it’s way.

Ground clearance is another issue being that the BF only has about a little over 10”. This might matter to some, but for anyone that is looking to traverse rocky terrain or ride in mud it’s a major problem. The back end has fair ground clearance although the front is quite a bit lower. I have a buddy that just put 28” tires on his BF and is only sitting at 13” of GC in the front. Like I said though if you are not worried about banging around on rocks and getting stuck this really isn’t an issue.

The power the Kawasaki engine puts out really is awesome; although there is a catch. A lot of Kawasaki’s I have seen in the past have been fast as heck on the trail although lacking something in the really deep mud pits. The BF is no different because we saw several in action recently and the Kawasaki version of the CVT leaves something to be desired for mud bogging.

Honda Rincon 650:
This is one great looking bike in my opinion!

The lack of low range is definitely and issue Honda should resolve. I know I have rode with many of them and for a 650 it’s extremely weak. I recently pulled against one and it couldn’t even turn the tires over as I drug him.

The ground clearance leaves something to be desired on this bike as well being that it only has about 10” stock which is pretty low for an IRS bike.

One reason I stepped away from Honda is because of the lack of options like IRS on more models, other brands have more power, no disc brakes, no locking diff., etc…

The Rincon also had some pretty serious issues with their CDI’s and water pumps going out. This is not the old reliable Honda.

Yamaha Grizzly 660:
In my opinion this is a great all around bike although it does have it’s issues as well.

Stock axles are pretty much junk if you are going to lift and put bigger tires on it. I have blown a couple axles and all I have to say is that if you are going to jack this bike up with bigger tires…Gorilla!!

There were some overheating issues on the earlier models although the new ones have had changes to correct these problems. They still do overheat but not as bad as other models on the market. About the only time mine will overheat is after a long day of staying in the mud pits.

Vapor lock has to be the most complained about problem on this bike. If you go in water up to the engine the steam is trapped inside the engine compartment because the engine is completely covered. Basically what happens is the only way the steam has to go is up, and the air intake is up. When the air intake sucks in the steam the bike begins to sputter and will probably die on you. The modified side panels on the ‘04+ models do help this problem some although it still does it to a certain extent. My solution…snorkel it!!

Just like the BF the belt exhaust hose is under the back rack and as any serious rider will tell you when you barrel off into some deep water or mud the back sits the lowest. Pretty much what happens in deep water is that you dunk the belt exhaust under the water and it fills the transmission with mud and water. When this happens you aren’t going far. This is fixed by snorkeling the hose or re-routing it, which is very easy to do.


This is just a basic review from my experience on these bikes…I only did the BF, Rincon, and Grizzly because that is all I remember seeing anyone mention. Once again most people won’t be half as hard on these machines as we are…if there is something weak on it, or something that is not up to par we will find it.

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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2004, 06:55:12 PM »
Thanks for all the info, I caught the ATV Show and he is somewhat Kawa biased. I went by the dealer just to look at the tie rods and they did look a tad light weight for the size of the machine. But that thing looks good. I think I will stick with the Yamaha line(had 2 Big Bears already) when I get back to the mainland, maybe 450 Kodiak or move up to the 660 Grizz. Thanks.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2004, 01:47:35 AM »
I caught the ATV TV show yesterday and the guy was reviewing 400cc quads.  When he got to the Yamaha Big Bear (one of my personal favorites for years) he made several comments about the front differential being weak and not taking you very far.  Huh?   Thats the first time I've ever heard any negative comment on a Big Bear period.  My experience is that they are very good quads, lacking only the most recent high tech goodies.    Have any of you experienced weak Diff's on a big bear?
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2004, 02:47:57 AM »
The big bear diff. is not weak IMO. On the other had it does have a noisy front diff. which I didn't partiuclarly care for. Everyone I have seen out on the trail has been pretty tough. The only thing I have ever seen on the old 350's was that the front end had some u-joints on a pretty bad angle and they would go out from time to time. Most of this could be solved by replacing the u-joint with a cv that can take more angle.

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2004, 02:43:40 PM »
markc, I had a used 87(Bright Blue) and I bought a new(Red) 99 model, I think it was a 99 model, it was the last year for the 350 anyway. I never heard about a problem with the front diff. As 264 said the only thing I ever heard about was the u joints on the front drive shaft and that was on my 87. It came off a farm in Colorado, I bought it from them in 96. Think I'll go with the 450 with IRS and locking front diff.

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2004, 04:51:59 AM »
Good choice!  :-D

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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2004, 04:56:49 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2005, 08:53:13 PM »
This information is greatly appreciated, my neighbor and I are in the market to purchase new machines this year.  Our old Suzuki's are wore out.  We had trouble getting two Caribou out this last fall.  Last week I took him to the Kawasaki dealer and showed him the BF 750, he fell in love with it and is planning to purchase one when I do this spring.  The problems with the transmission vent, and the air intake, is something we will have to address, since we are always getting into deep water.  Crossing streams and deep mud holes are a constant in Alaska.  We often have to float them across rivers and creeks.  But it will be nice to have enough power to pull out a Moose in one trip.  As for the tipping problem we plan on putting duel wheels on them, that should cure that problem.  The duels are needed for our chocolate pudding mud, mud with the consistency of chocolate pudding.  And it's always mid thigh deep.  Also I'm 6"3" tall and the BF is the first machine that I can stand up on and still reach the handle bars without having to bend over.  And with a bad back bending over is a killer for me.  Being able to stand while riding also enables me to see over the brush where the Moose, Caribou, and Bears are hiding.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2005, 04:48:15 AM »
please, please, please post some pics of the BF's with dual wheels on them.  This I gotta see.  It is very interesting to see the mod's folks make to their atv's and side by sides.  I hope you can psot some pics when you get them set up.
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