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Offline Chainsaw

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Is your bullet weight light or heavy per caliber?
« on: January 14, 2005, 10:52:58 AM »
In my two single 30-30's I use Barnes 130 and 140 gr. XBT's. I load 130 grain Hornady SSSP's for my practise load. I load 130 gr. Barnes in my buddys Savage .308 bolt as well. Am dabbling with the 120 gr. Barnes in his 7mmSTW as well.(I just found out Barnes has discontinued this bullet) :shock:  In another hunting partners Browning Micro Medallion in .284 Win., I load 140 gr. Nosler Partitons.

For the most part I stick with the lighter per caliber offering except in .223 for my Homeland Defense Ordnance. I use 55 gr. bullets, which is for the most part, is standard. I also load 115 gr. in 9mm pistol rounds and 110 gr. in 30 Carbine. I also use only ball type propellants

What are your thoughts? What grain bullets do you load/shoot in your handi's and other rifles and why?

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2005, 11:44:52 AM »
I generally fall into the big slow bullet camp. I think you will find that in the 30-30 the heavier 150 and 170 bullets hold their velocity and energy better farther downrange than do the 130's. Does that equal deader deer? I doubt it. It does mean that a shot that strikes on the edge of the kill zone will have a better chance of penetrating where it will count, at least according to the conventional wisdom.

I do have as example of the extreems though.....

Last year I shot a spike at about 25 yards with a Hornady 180 XTP in my 357 Maximum. Muzzle velocity was 2060 fps. The shot was for practical purposes broadside. The shot struch and broke the front leg just below the shoulder, drove through the heart, exited leaving a 1.5" wound and exited the far ribs, breaking two and left a caliber size hole on exit. Deer dropped like it had been hit with a sledgehammer and was dead when I got to it.

Two weeks ago I shot a spike at 25 yards with a 405 grian bullet from my 45-70 at a muzzle velocity of 1200 fps. The shot was quarting toward (a return trip to the location makes me lean toward not quite broadside) The bullet struk the foreleg just below the shoulder, breaking the bones, yet deflected and exited below the neck (bullet turned at least 90 degrees) Deer went 15 yards and lay down but was alert and watching me as I approached, he simply couldn't run. Obviously I did the coup de grace thing.

The XTP performed above my expectation while the pure lead bullet was equally surprising in a different way (I do not think it failed, it brought the animal to a stop allowing a clean dispatch) A light fast bullet vs a slow heavy bullet.

My conclusion is both approachs are valid, the question being is the right bullet being applied for the task. I don't think a pure lead bullet at 2060 fps (or above for that matter) would have performed as well as it's slow cousin did, and I think a harder bullet at the slower velocity woud have plowed right through and dropped the deer with all the effect of the XTP on last years deer. Chose a bullet that is right for the caliber, the velocity and the game, and know that even then there will be surprises.

That 45-70 load is a perfect example of the right bullet in the right place and still strange things can happen. That load is atypical of the 45-70 and is for practical purposes the standard which deer cartridges and bullets were judged for 50 years, and a few still consider it the standard.

The 357 Max load is a ballistic twin of the 30-30 170 grain load and is the modern standard against which all the rest are judged. Confused yet? :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2005, 12:03:10 PM »
I like all the various bullet weights...each...for various reasons...I like the heavier bullets when I hunt for certain rifles and I like the lighter bullets to give me a edge in velocity in others...I believe each have their place if used properly...I use a light weight bullet for my 45-70...the 300 grain Nosler partiton...it opens readily with out blowing to pieces and still retains enough mass to drive thru for a complete pass thru...

The light weight bullets will work eceptionally well too...in certain siuations...and can give spectacular 1 shot kills also.....

With so-many different designs and manufactures limiting yourself to a paticular weight and type....to me... isn't the best way to go...you need to try as many different weights and types to see what works best for you...

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