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Offline mitchell

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« on: January 14, 2005, 09:59:46 AM »
due to high flood water I’ve not been able to work for about 2 weeks now so I’ve had a lot of time on my hands .well today I cleaned 700 pieces of brass with a piece of steal wool , man my hands hurt. i do not own a tumbler and really don't want to , I’ve heard that brass life is shorter. so I was wondering if any of you have had problems shooting brass that hasn't been cleaned for a while?? I’m not talking about never cleaning brass again just maybe every 5-7 reloads clean it,. do you think this will hurt anything if I do this??
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2005, 10:14:57 AM »
Get yourself a brass tumbler. It won't shorten the life of your brass, but continuously sizing brass that hasn't been cleaned could shorten the life of your sizing die. Midway has one that isn't expensive and works great. A couple hours in there, and it'll look like new.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2005, 10:33:38 AM »
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i do not own a tumbler and really don't want to , I’ve heard that brass life is shorter.


Never in all my years of reloading have I read or heard this... like daddywpb said, get yourself a media tumbler and clean your brass the right way.... sure beats having sore fingers.  :roll:

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2005, 01:30:55 PM »
700...thats not a typo is it..I cant see myself doin 70! :shock:  Save up your pennys....they are out of stock here but they will get more in...surely
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2005, 04:00:51 PM »
I have a case spinner that will chuck up in a drill that I use with some of the green scotchbrite pads and it shines them right up. Also at this time I have a LEE CASE TRIMMER That I trim with at the same time and then I chamfer the inside of the case mouth all at the same time. Once you get in the rythm of things it goes pretty quick. :D
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2005, 04:37:20 PM »
I almost went past this one.....

If I told you I have cases I have fired 40 times without cleaning...... you'd probably think I was lying..... and I'm sure with good reason. But fact is,I shoot a low pressure load of Blue Dot or milsurp#107 in my 44 Mag and have cases that have been fired 40 and possibly more times and not ever cleaned. And the load is DIRTY I mean so dirty that it will get so bad the gun won't lock up. (takes about 250 rounds)

I only size the case about 3/8" of the neck and of course am using a carbide die. I have 357 Maximum cases, sized in like manner and used only in mild loads with similar mileage and never cleaned.

To put that in perspective, I neck size my 30-30 brass with a Lee Collet die, and dont clean it either, but I run it hot enough that it don't get all sooty either, so far the brass fails before I have a failure that I can say was because of dirty brass.

Some folks say that any dirt or soot is hard on a die. Just how hard is this soot? Ever try to stamp a die with lettering? Dies are HARD. Probably take 100,000 ore more sizings to wear one to replacement. Now you might get some silica between your brass and your die and that might scratch it, but I bet the brass scratches first. Besides, when was the last time you sized cases that were covered in sand?

If you are full length sizing and using loads anywhere close to maximum pressures, your brass will fail from work hardening before it needs cleaned. I know that goes against the grain of conventional practice, but most reloaders I know are anal retentive types (me included) who are into excessivly greater amounts of perfection for exceeding smaller returns.

I had a heart attack 4 years 3 months ago now and today I do more and more questioning of just how much nitpicky stress inducing anal retentive behavior I want in my life. In fact, something falling into one of those catagories is a sure fire way to find me NOT doing it. Someday I might get a tumbler again, it won't be because I think I need shiny brass. It'll be because shiny brass induces a pleasure I enjoy. At present, the only friends I got are ya'll so it ain;t like I need to do this to impress anyone with my kutzpah.

Dirt simple way to clean your brass is to use Lee's case resizing lube. Put a little dab on your finger and rub the case and size it. A pinky finger nail size dollop will lube 30 cases with left overs. When you clean off the lube with a wet rag you will have nice clean cases. This is how my 45-70 cases get cleaned, an unintentioned result from a nessicary action, kinda like 2 for the price of 1.  Now that's stress reducing.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2005, 12:05:16 AM »
I clean cases in the NRA's recipe which is two two tablespoons of salt to a quart of vinegar......soaking and occasionally agitating the container for a few minutes......they say up to twenty, but I usually don't take that long.    It cleans and shines up the cases.     I usually do this after lubing my cases with pure synthetic motor oil and re-sizing them.   I dry them in front of a basement dehumidifier during the summer, or in front of a warm-air register during the winter.     It saves me work, is how I see it.  

I use carbide dies with my handgun cartridges, but use regular dies and sizer buttons in the bottle-necked cases.     I don't clean cases until after they are sized -- usually.

Any dirt I get onto the lube pad comes off with a very mild scraping of the surface with a putty knife.     Keeps the pad cleaner.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2005, 03:15:39 AM »
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700...thats not a typo is it..I cant see myself doin 70! :shock:  Save up your pennys....they are out of stock here but they will get more in...surely
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thats no typo my thumb still hurts . i guess i could just brake down and buy a tumbler it sure would beat having a sore thumb. anybody know someone selling one??
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2005, 05:29:43 AM »
New here... but thought I would jump in the fray.... I am the cheapest one on  
the planet I bet.... I pick up every case I find that I can use(and some I dont have guns for) tarnished, smashed and otherwise. I have some 30-30 brass that I have picked up out in the hills that is almost black... but they work fine so far. and the dented ones I run through my dies and fire form back to good as new.... vanity makes me wish I had all nice shiney cases, but lazyness takes over.  
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2005, 10:05:30 AM »
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700...thats not a typo is it..I cant see myself doin 70! :shock:  Save up your pennys....they are out of stock here but they will get more in...surely
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thats no typo my thumb still hurts . i guess i could just brake down and buy a tumbler it sure would beat having a sore thumb. anybody know someone selling one??[/quote] [url]http://search.ebay.com/case-tumbler_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8
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