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Offline Iowahunter

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1894CL Classic in 25-20
« on: January 15, 2005, 06:49:19 PM »
I just picked up a 1894CL classic in 25-20 today at the gunshow. Its got a Ducks Unlimted medallion in the stock and has been fired some.  Appears to have Ballard rifleing so I'm interested in trying some cast bullets threw her.  Anyone have any info they can share with me on this rifle?
  I picked it up to look at and couldn't put it down! Looking forward to shoot it some when it warms up. Its about 4below right now.
 Thanks :wink:

 Also. I have a hundred or so 218Bee ammo loaded and I was wondering if I could fire form it for the 25-20?  I don't want to take a risky chance on damaging the gun but, it would be nice to use the brass up.

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fireforming cases
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2005, 12:22:29 AM »
Howy do, Iowa Hunter!

That's a real NICE M1894CL classic you have in .25-20!  Wish I had one!

As for fireforming your .218 Bee cases, you definitely do NOT want to fire undersized bulleted ammunition in the .25-20 chamber.  Such practice is known to bulge or dent the barrel.

It's much safer to pull the bullets with a collet tool or inertia puller and reload using a small (3-6 grains) charge of fast pistol powder and a case full of Cream of Wheat cereal.  Use a bit of toilet tissue paper to plug the end.  The COW filler pushes the case shoulder out safely and effectively.
Be sure to clean out the bore before firing bulleted ammo.

Firing this combination in your .25-20 gives you perfectly formed cases ready for trimming and reloading.  For longer case life, anneal the mouths before reloading.

HTH
John

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Re: fireforming cases
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2005, 03:30:54 AM »
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As for fireforming your .218 Bee cases, you definitely do NOT want to fire undersized bulleted ammunition in the .25-20 chamber.  Such practice is known to bulge or dent the barrel.
This is the first time I've ever heard this.  Firing surplus .223 ammo in 7TCU barrels was a popular way to make cases for IHMSA competition years ago.  No one I knew who did this suffered from a bulged barrel - and I cannot envision circumstances where this could ever occur.  It did foul the barrel with jacket material, but no damage was noted.

The main problem with the .218 Bee cases is that they may not fit in the chamber.  The shoulder on the Bee case is farther forward than on the .25-20, and depending on chambering specs the Bee may not enter the .25-20 chamber fully.  Personally I'd forget the Bee cases and buy the correct stuff from Midway, etc, or do as the poster above suggests with the case filler - but run the empty Bee case through the .25-20 sizing die first to set the shoulder back.  

I've had an 1894CL in .25-20 for 15 years and it is a fine little rifle.  I prefer loading the 75-grain Speer FP, a very accurate bullet.  Best accuracy comes with 6.0 grains of AA-7 powder at 1481 fps - a pleasant, accurate, and powerful enough load for small edible game.  The wide flat point on the Speer kills well without damaging a lot of meat.  Top power is with IMR4198 at 1943 fps, although accuracy was not great.  The Hornady 60 grainer has not been that accurate in my rifle, although 9.0/H110 gave 1897 fps and sub-2 moa accuracy.

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1894CL Classic in 25-20
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2005, 03:46:23 AM »
Thanks for the replies,  I found the loaded 218 Bee rounds when I was cleaning out a old cabinet last week. They are from a Ruger #1 I sold about 5yrs ago.  Just thought that fireforming them to 25-20 would be a way to use them up.  I havn't tried to chamber them yet but if I do decide to try them I'll pull the loads and load them lighter and see if that works.
I need to order dies yet and probably the Lyman neck expander die so I can try some cast bullets.  Thanks again............

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2005, 10:57:08 AM »
Since you have the 218 ammo, you NEED to go out and find the 1894CL in 218 bee to match.!!!

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2005, 04:08:15 PM »
I thought about that.  I have only seen 1 of them and it was a few yrs back.  I do know where there is a 32-20 NIB .  I think its one of the lastest Davidson runs.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2005, 05:45:21 PM »
Quote from: Iowahunter
I just picked up a 1894CL classic in 25-20 today at the gunshow.

 Also. I have a hundred or so 218Bee ammo loaded and I was wondering if I could fire form it for the 25-20?  I don't want to take a risky chance on damaging the gun but, it would be nice to use the brass up.


Congrats on the 25-20WCF...excellent cartridge in an excellent rifle.

Like mentioned in another post the Bee case will not chamber in
a 25-20WCF chamber...shoulder is too far forward. I suggest
handloading for the 25-20WCF since a box of ammo is
35-45 dollars per 50! Just use the Win 25-20WCF brass ... it is cheaper
than Bee brass too.  Midway or the like stock it.

If you Bee ammo is factory then try to sell at a gunshow or
what not. Bee ammo is expensive too..same range as 25-20WCF
ammo. Plenty of folks are looking for cheap Bee factory ammo. :)

Good luck,
DB