Author Topic: 405 WIN. RUGER #1 (Read 1287 times)

dave hall · « **on:** July 16, 2004, 06:15:54 PM »

HAS ANYONE USED THE #1 IN 405 IN AFRICA YET.IF I GO I WOULD WHAT TO TAKE MINE,AND GIVE IT TRY.

SMACK'EM GOOD :twisted:

DUGABOY1 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2004, 01:37:54 PM »

Quote from: dave hall

HAS ANYONE USED THE #1 IN 405 IN AFRICA YET.IF I GO I WOULD WHAT TO TAKE MINE,AND GIVE IT TRY.

SMACK'EM GOOD :twisted:

Dave , The 405 is a nice rifle, and you could take it to Africa if you like! However, I believe you will find, as did Teddy Roosevelt, that it is a wounder on most African game! The rifle is a made to order conversion, however! A simple re-chambering to 450/400NE 3" makes it a serious DGR! The 400 gr Woodliegh, soft, or solid @ 2150 fps is a great formula for Buffalo, and lion. There is a need for a new red Pachmayr decelarator to take the place of the hard rubber thing that comes on No1s!

Mad Dog · « **Reply #2 on:** January 19, 2005, 02:56:31 AM »

Don't know if you could call it a "wounder". Pick up the latest issue of G&A. Craig Boddington has a good article on hunting Buff/Boar in Australia, with a #1 in 405 win. His success looked good to me!

Mad Dog

leverfan · « **Reply #3 on:** January 19, 2005, 01:54:19 PM »

Between bad shot placement and bad bullet designs, lots of the guns that Teddy used were "wounders". FMJ 30-06 loads come to mind as one example of a bad choice for hunting. The 30-06 is a good hunting round, but not with those bullets. I kept a tally of wounded game while reading his safari tale, and the number of animals that needed multiple shots. What Teddy and Kermit did was acceptable at the time, but it wouldn't be considered ethical now.

That being said, I wouldn't take a single shot .405 unless I already had several safaris under my belt, and I just wanted to spice things up with an unusual rifle.

DUGABOY1 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2005, 10:32:59 AM »

Quote from: Mad Dog

Don't know if you could call it a "wounder". Pick up the latest issue of G&A. Craig Boddington has a good article on hunting Buff/Boar in Australia, with a #1 in 405 win. His success looked good to me!

Mad Dog

Mad Dog, Nobody with a lick of sense would say that African game can't be taken cleanly with a 405 Win, Especially handloads using proper bullets, along with proper placement of that premium bullet, if everything is perfect! But it is questionable on things like Cape Buffalo, especially if anything goes south! Even in a double rifle, this could get out of hand quickly, a fact compounded when using a single shot, and factory ammo.

Crieg Boddington, is not just some joker fresh out of the corn field, when it comes to planting a bullet where it belongs. However, I predict the very misleading, box decoration on a box of factory ammo, is going to cause problems in Africa. It should have has a Leopard on the box rather than a Cape Buffalo. That box gives the idea that the 405 Win is a Cape Buffalo round, and it isn't. Let me tell those who do not know, and remind those who do, A Water Buffalo, in Australia is "NOT" a Cape BUffalo! :roll:

All I'm saying the 405 Win is light for African game, of any large size, and in a single shot things may get out of hand. The $100 chambering job to 450/400NE 3", will fix that problem. I love the Ruger No1s, and I hunt Africa with them all the time, but the rifles I use are chambered for rounds that were designed for African game! You may use what ever suits you, I have no objection! :cb2:

JJHACK · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2005, 07:39:10 PM »

As an American I obviousley grew up with American game. However after living years in South Africa in going to school there I was able to learn first hand the differences between similiar species in both countries. In almost every case that comes to mind the African Species is more agressive, stronger, faster, and just plain tougher then an equal American Animal.

Crocodile VS alligator not even a close contest
Cape Buffalo VS Bison even less of a contest. Actually if cape buffalo were in America there might not have been as many indians for the first exploreres to fight with! There also might have been far fewer exploreres coming home!

Leopard VS Cougar. A little closer only because of the average size difference with cougars being a bit bigger on average. However for aggression and strength the leopard is much more powerful and dangerous. Just as an example of the power difference. A really huge Mtn lion or cougar will have a 15" skull score. A leopard of equal size would score 19" which makes the same body size as the cougar but with a near Boon and Crockett size black bear skull! The number one cougar skull all time would not even be in the top several hundred listed for leopards.

The leopards Skull must be bigger to handle the much tougher and stronger prey and to get it up off the ground away from hyenas and lions.

Jackal VS fox. This one I thought was close but the real difference was the Jackals tendency to fight or hunt in groups where fox's are typically single. The Jackal will take down farly large game about the size of a doe deer. I doubt a red or grey fox would try that.

Same with an African Lynx VS the bobcat. The African Lynx or caracal cat will prey upon impala frequently which would be like a bobcat preying on an adult whitetail doe. It could happen,..... but it would be the rare bobcat to attempt that.

These African animals are not at all like those in North America. You have to see it to believe it. I'm a proud American but have to admit our game would not stack up against similiar species in Africa for agression, or toughness.