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Offline Haywire Haywood

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« on: January 22, 2005, 04:48:42 AM »
I've got room in the stock of my BC to comfortably fit a 7"x7/8" suppressor with room to block it at both ends. The largest one they offer stock is 5" (16oz).  If you request, they can make you one of any size you want.  However, they are kind enough to provide a 1/4x20 threaded hole in the end of them to screw a T handle to pull it out.  One could use a 1/4x20 stud to screw two shorter ones together to make a bigger one.

My question is:  Which would work better, one large mass of mercury or 2 smaller masses?  Seems that the smaller ones could react quicker to the recoil.

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2005, 05:02:36 AM »
I have one large one but still had some room so filled flush to the pad with pennies. It works.....as far a two???? Good question..
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2005, 05:50:34 AM »
To be honest if you'll fill that hole with lead shot it will reduce recoil more than the recoil reducers do. Yeah it "might" work like they say and the mercury moving in the cylinder "might" add extra dampening over and above the weight. I do know they help. But in my experience lead shot helps more. The weight is more and that is really the biggest help.


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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2005, 07:19:30 AM »
I am going to go with Graybeard on this one.  I am not exactly sure how the internals of the mercury thingie is but I suspect it is a vial of mercury enclosed in a tube with a spring or maybe two springs.  Mercury being heavier than lead, this is probably why they use it, plus it sounds exotic.  At the instant of recoil, you need the most mass possible resisting that recoil, up to what you are willing to lug around.  A weight of any kind solidly mounted is going to work better than one that slides against a spring.  Now having said that if the mercury suppressor is nothing more than a tube of mercury filled full then it would probably work better than a lead weight, simply because it weighs more.  Don't know what those things  cost but I bet it is a lot more than the bit of lead shot that it would take to fill the hole in the butt stock.  Use the smallest size lead shot you can get, less voids that way.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2005, 03:23:17 PM »
I'm thinking that the lead, in a fixed position, is better than the mercury business.     If the rifle becomes too heavy at the rear then the area closest to the recoil pad could be filled with a wooden dowel to put the weight closer to the Handi's frame while still helping a bunch with the recoil.    The smaller the size of the lead shot the more it will weigh in a given volume, as you may already know.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2005, 05:30:02 PM »
What I've got in there now is a 3/4"ID copper water pipe that I filled with molten lead.  It's just the right OD that with one layer of masking tape it's snug in the hole.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2005, 06:08:41 PM »
Haywire,i took the steel bar out of my NEF 10ga turkey gun and replaced the bar with lead shot.i feel the lead shot reduces recoil better than a fixed weight for sure and the 10ga has lots of recoil to reduce :shock: if you dont reload shotgun shells just cut open some cheap ammo from Wally World or someplace like that and try it.lots cheaper than a $50.00 mercury reducer.the lead shot weights about the same as the solid steel nef bar

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2005, 06:12:33 PM »
They're not quite that bad in price, $42 shipped.

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2005, 06:52:54 PM »
Quick,
Man, you never cease to amaze me.  Do you know the web site of every item that anyone ever thought of.  It seems that way to me, you are in fact a walking, talking, book of knowledge.  As to that "Mercury Suppressor" or whatever.  It kind of makes me think about all them fancy fishing lures that are made to catch a fisherman and not the fish.  The most weight you can get to resist the recoil is the best you can do. Period.  I don't care how it is configured.  I think one of Newtons theories proves this.  Can't remember if it is #1 or #2.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2005, 07:22:42 PM »
My only thoughts are that if the rifle if for hunting, the reduced weight of a mercury recoil reducer would have advantages over filling the stock with lead and the movement of the mercury within the capsule would have a shock absorber affect. For a bench gun, I'd want the most weight I can get in there, period. :wink:
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2005, 02:51:07 AM »
Mercury is heavy and relatively free-flowing, so effectively the rifle moves backwards with the recoil while the mercury stays where it is, until it hits the end of the enclosed tube. At this point the rifle runs into that weight sitting there, reducing the recoil of the rifle.

Theoretically, this has a greater impact on recoil than would be achieved by the same amount of weight simply being added to the stock.

The argument goes that x-weight added to the mass, slowing acceleration, is not as effective as the original (lighter) mass hitting that same x-weight as an offset to the acceleration.

As I see it, though, there are a couple of things that could reduce this advantage that the mercury weight has over a static weight:

1. The assumption is that the mercury 'hits' the front of the tube as the rifle recoils, but what if you're firing downhill, so the mercury is allready hard up against the front of the tube? In this situation you effectively have a static weight. Or, say on the bench, if the mercury tube inside the stock is sitting flat parallel to the ground, then the mercury will be evenly spread along the bottom of the tube. Some will allready be fully against the front, with the rest a varying distance from the front, resulting in a 'surge' or a 'push' as the rifle recoils. In any case, the advantage that a mercury reducer has over a static weight will vary depending on the position of the rifle when fired.

2. For the full weight of the mercury to affect the recoil, the rifle will have to move sufficiently during recoil for the mercury within the tube to be pressed against the front of it. Obviously, the heavier cartridges will be more likely to gain the full effect of the mercury, as they move more under recoil.

In any case I've been convinced to try one, one of the guys in the big-bore forum said he has them fitted to all his heavy-recoiling rifles, and that they turn 'tigers into pussycats'!!!

I can't wait until it gets here so I can see the difference :grin:

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2005, 03:46:26 AM »
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To be honest if you'll fill that hole with lead shot it will reduce recoil more than the recoil reducers do. Yeah it "might" work like they say and the mercury moving in the cylinder "might" add extra dampening over and above the weight. I do know they help. But in my experience lead shot helps more. The weight is more and that is really the biggest help.


Graybeard hit it right on the head here... the cost associated with manufacturing a lead shot recoil reduction system far out exceeds that cost of a mercury recoil reducer cost.  If you need more reduction which I doubt, but if you do, for about $19.97 at Wal-Mart they have a good recoil reduction sheild that I found to work quite well.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2005, 05:12:13 AM »
That's a good point about the position of the mercury in the tube affecting how effective it is.  I think I'll just leave my stick of lead in there and call it good enough.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2005, 06:25:52 AM »
Haywire:

I'll go along with what the Montanan said...get a Past strap on recoil pad...they make various sizes and thickness of them(from regulars to Magnums)...and they do work...they help spread the recoil out over a larger area...and can go on top of your shirt or beneath them...and since you already have added lead to the stock...that's what I would suggest too...if you don't like them...and want something thinner...past has a small 3" x 5" sew in pad...as does Browning...theirs is called the decelorator pads...and can be baught at Cabela's Grafts & Sons...and most other sporting goods stores...I use my past pad out of my Sporting Clays vest on really hot days...it's only 1/4" thick...but it really tames the recoil...


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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2005, 07:15:31 AM »
Thanks fellas! :oops:  I use a Past Magnum recoil pad when I'm shooting the 45-70 handi, coupled with 2¼lbs of lead in the laminated stock and the limbsaver recoil pad, shooting from the bench is easy. But when hunting, the lead will be left at home, for sure! When shooting at game I never realize the recoil factor, it just doesn't have an impact(no pun :wink: ) on me, it's as if it had no recoil. Never thought much about it until I patterned the 835 Ultimag with heavy turkey loads, even with the Limbsaver, recoil is brutal, so I use a Stoney Point Polecat bipod from a standing position. But when shootin turkeys, never feel the recoil, even from a sitting position against a tree, it's kind of a mind thing, I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2005, 05:27:14 PM »
Quick,
Yep, you are downright dependable.  Want to know something, ask ole Quick.  As for shooting at game you are right, you never seem to feel the kick.  No matter how hard the kick at the bench, when the "chase is on" so to speak, recoil is not even remembered.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2005, 06:08:36 PM »
I'm always glad to help....if I don't know the answer, I usually try to find out what I can on the net, as Mulder said, the truth is out there! :-D
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2005, 01:34:12 AM »
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That's a good point about the position of the mercury in the tube affecting how effective it is.  


My initial thoughts may have been premature & simplistic; I had considered how the mercury would affect the recoil based on it 'hitting' the end of the tube enclosure. However mine has arrived in the post tonight, and I've spent considerable time shaking it and trying to feel/listen to the mercury...yeah, I've got too much time on my hands :)

I now think that C&H Research have installed 'baffles' (for want of a better word) so that no matter the actual position/attitude of the rifle, and hence the position of the mercury in relation to the end of the tube, all of the mercury will 'hit' something - there are multiple surfaces inside the tube for the mercury to work against. Perhaps the tube has washers spaced inside it, or something similar.

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2005, 05:52:36 AM »
To each his own of course.  But for the life of me I can't see how the mercury supressor can be better than just a lead weight.  I do however remember seeing  a special shock absorber type unit on a trap gun about a year or so ago.  It looked like one of those super adjustable recoil pads but had 2 pistons that went into the stock.  It worked just like a minature shock absorber, had about 1/2 inch of travel.  Made that 12 ga trap gun fell like a 20 ga shooting light field loads.  Don't know what is was called or what it cost but it sure was effective.  I would bet a dollar to a hole in a donut that Ol Quick knows where to find their web site, if they have one.  How about it Quick, what are these things and where to you find them.
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2005, 10:56:43 AM »
Quick, now yer just showin' off... :-D
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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2005, 11:13:26 AM »
Thanks to google!! :-D  :D
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2005, 05:31:35 PM »
Quick,  You da man...... :D
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