Your right about being thumpers............they shoot great in my 1895, and are priced right.......Way to much for anything around here but I'm going to use them this deer season anyway......the ...I'm going to start hand loading soon, and think I'll load the Remingtion corelot 300 grain as that would be fine for any E Tennessee deer......The standard 405 grain is a little easier on the shoulder than the 300 grain, and that bullet seems to be priced right, might go that route.......