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Offline Birddog 1

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Hawkens or a GPR
« on: January 12, 2005, 04:52:33 PM »
Hello All  :D  I need some help here want to get a 54 for shooting prb at Elk ,deer, hogs anything and everything in season, need your feed back on the Hawken and the Lyman GPR. haven't held a GPR b4. Hawkens has the LTW and there is the GM barrels in 1/60 and 1/70. which would be better the 60 or the 70 for prb? Now the GPR is 1/60 and they make a 1/32 for conicals and sabots heaven forbid [sabots]. Any and all comments are welcome.  I am leaning towards the Hawkens but I do need some feed back please :lol:  


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Re: Hawkens or a GPR
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2005, 05:10:42 PM »
Quote from: Nim
Hello All  :D  I need some help here want to get a 54 for shooting prb at Elk ,deer, hogs anything and everything in season, need your feed back on the Hawken and the Lyman GPR. haven't held a GPR b4. Hawkens has the LTW and there is the GM barrels in 1/60 and 1/70. which would be better the 60 or the 70 for prb? Now the GPR is 1/60 and they make a 1/32 for conicals and sabots heaven forbid [sabots]. Any and all comments are welcome.  I am leaning towards the Hawkens but I do need some feed back please :lol:  


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Have used a houseful of TC Hawkens for years, both caplocks and flintlocks, in .45/.50/54...been shooting the flintlocks year round for three years now and they're outstanding.

IMO, for a mass produced, attractive, reliable, high quality rifle, that holds it's resale value and has a no questions asked lifetime warranty, they can't be beat.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2005, 04:49:48 AM »
Roundball is absolutely correct when he writes about the Hawken.  However, the GPR is just as good.  Many of us have used the GPR for competition and of the two, it is more in line with what a traditional rifle should look like.

I would suggest trying both for fit and feel before making a decision.  Whatever you decide, I wish you the best with your new rifle -

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2005, 05:38:34 AM »
I have had several of both Lyman and TC. Both are well built and perform well. The TC stocks don't fit me, too little drop at the comb.

I'll relate an interesting story about TC rifles. Many years ago I was rooting around the Harolds Club gun collection in Reno, NV. A large part of the collection had been removed from the casino and placed in storage. It was in this storage facility that I came upon what I thought to be a TC "Hawken" rifle. A friend of mine was curator of the collection and he remarked that the rifle had him fooled too. The give away was the back action lock and total lack of markings. It was all brass fitted, hook breach, finger hook on the guard and in all other respects looked like a TC. Other than being more than 150 years old, the rifle could have been the prototype for the TC "Hawken".

I felt much better about my TC rifles after that.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2005, 03:11:29 PM »
Both are good rifles & reliable.....  IMHO, you are basically you are paying $200 more for the T/C warranty .

I favor the Lyman GPR because of the much lower initial cost & you are just getting started..   Also based on what I have seen on the used market, if you take care of it you will have less $ loss in selling the GPR compared to the T/C,  again IMHO...   :-)
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2005, 03:29:57 PM »
Ya know, it seems funny that when I bought my T/C 45 Hawken new, complete not a kit, in 1980 they were selling for $139 at a dealer in Bellfountaine, Ohio. Lyman GPR's were selling for nearly $235. I felt I died and went to heaven when I bought mine used for $200 in the 1980. Still have the GPR and still like it.The T/C was much nicer finished out than the Lyman, but it didn't take me long to cure that Lyman. The Lyman has always been a very good shooter for me.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2005, 03:39:55 AM »
I have a GPR flintlock that I love.  I have shot both rifles, but I prefer the GPR.
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2005, 06:54:29 AM »
I shoot both a TC Hawken and a GPR.  Both are excellent guns IMHO.  But I would have to agree that the GPR fits in better in shooting line for Traditional Looks.  If you are a buckskinner you might want to consider this.  If you are a straight up hunter only..........its a toss up.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2005, 07:48:49 AM »
I have a .54cal GPR and several T/C Renegades & Hawkens in .50, .54 & .58cal.  The GPR is an excellent shooting rifle but needs a bit of tweaking, after taking it out of the box, to shoot the best.  New, they have very sharp lands and you need to polish the bore to get best results quickly.  I also am not real fond of the stock sights but by opening the notch on the rear sight and painting a yellow bead on the front blade I improved mine a great deal.  Accuracy is as very good, as good as you can get in a production rifle, and better than the 1:48" twist T/C barrels.  I personally like the longer barrel of the GPR better than T/C's shorter barrels.

The T/Cs are very well made and T/C's warranty is the best in the business.  I prefer the Renegades as I do not like the brass on the Hawken model and have purposely tarnished the brass on mine so it looks more traditional.  T/Cs with 1:48' twist barrels will shoot patched balls quite well, better than many people think, but I do think the GPR is more accurate, especially with the higher powder charges.  Now my T/C Hawken, with a .50cal. GM barrel, has the length I prefer and shoots round balls exceptionally well.  My favorite rifle is a T/C Renegade with a .58cal barrel.  It is the most accurate shooting rifle I have and will certainly handle all the big game you mentioned.  I like the .58 so well that I am getting ready to build my first rifle and it is going to be a full stocked Hawken in .58cal.
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2005, 11:14:04 AM »
I have a .50 GPR 1/60 twist, use 15/16 pillow tick and a .490 hand cast on top of 70 FFF for target and 120 FFF for deer. This rifle may well be the best purchase I have ever made out of all my rifles(even center fire)! The only issue is the metric nipple,you should stock up on these. Many stores don't stock the metrics. I use the Hot Shot. Whichever one you buy, invite a friend to go shooting, we need more black powder shooter's on the line!
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2005, 04:26:12 PM »
:-D      Thought I would add my two cents.  I have quite a few of the factory rifles,and a few that are not.  In my humble opinion both are great,but I do enjoy the GPr,  I do like the one that I have in .54 flint.  Several of my friends have the .54 in caplock and they also enjoy thiers.  When I have several rifles out,they will almost universally pick the GPr to try out first.  Most will stick with it for the shooting session.  The T/C is right behind it and on some days it is a toss up.  Stay safe..King
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2005, 10:01:04 PM »
I too have a TC Renegade Percussion which sports a Green Mountain .58 32" 1 in 70" Twist Barrel.  I love it.  I also wouldn't mind having a GPR in .54 though.  :wink:
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2005, 10:31:06 PM »
Get the Great Plains Rifle. Accurate, reliable and a good looking rifle.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2005, 06:38:53 AM »
I have a GPR in .50 and a Tennessee Rifle also in .50.   I also have a Cabela's that came to me in a trade.  To me, the Cabela's feels like a 2X4 when I shoulder it.  It makes me recall why I never bought a T/C before.  When I heft the GPR it fits just right.  I gave the Cabela's to my son.  He also likes the feel of the GPR - says it doesn't smack him in the cheek as bad.  The T/C is the same pattern stock as the Cabela's.  I know that the T/C has better sights but I've worked with my GPR and it shoots right up with just about any RB gun out there for practicality.  As for looks, it's the GPR hands down.  This past season my son used my GPR and I took the Tennessee Rifle.  He scored - I skunked out.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2005, 04:46:14 AM »
Dont think you could go wrong with either gun if your a hunter.The best thing to do is go someware and handle both guns at the same time and decide for your self.
 If your into being period correct and rondyvous then neither gun will fit the bill with some groups.For some time now ive been wanting a semi custom long rifle.I now have 1,500 bucks saved up but now that i have the money i realize for me i dont really need one.Im not into reenacting or buckskinning,just a hunter who has come to tearms that my 54 gpr and cva 36 is all i need. :grin:
 Im headed off to the big city to buy a new bow.Thats whats great about the good old USA,ya just do what you want :D
 
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2005, 02:47:10 PM »
Those custom guns are not really PC. They are just expensive! They are made of steel. The ornigals were made of iron.
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You need both.
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2005, 06:08:13 AM »
I have a T/C .50 cal Hawken.  I plan to buy a .54 cal GPR someday.  I want 'em both!
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