Author Topic: Sps(adl) vs. BDL (Read 1783 times)

davis1as · « **on:** January 31, 2005, 04:43:44 AM »

Can someone explain the difference between the sps line and the bdl line.
Are they the same bolt assembly,barrel, saftey etc.
Looking at the Rem. site the only difference appears to be stock and finish.

I'm looking for a affordable 300 win and the sps has got my eye. Havent seen any the stores of course.
Want a light durable accurate rifle for hunting. The browning A-bolt has my intrest also. Have ruled out the tikkas due to availabilty .

Any suggestions

John R. · « **Reply #1 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:41:40 AM »

The ADL's don't have the hinged floorplate like the BDL's. The actions are the same. The BDL's have polished blue and the ADL's are matte finished. Hope this answers your question. :grin:

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** January 31, 2005, 05:55:30 AM »

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The ADL's don't have the hinged floorplate like the BDL's. The actions are the same. The BDL's have polished blue and the ADL's are matte finished. Hope this answers your question.

Well yeah BUT...

While that information is correct it is incomplete at this point. Remington has discontinued the ADL line and replaced it with the SPS line. The SPS guns DO have hinged floorplate like the BDL's.

I've held the new SPS line and as far as I can see it's precisely what the ADL line WAS but with the addition of the hinged floorplate the ADL lacked. So yes finish on metal and the stock are now about it between the SPS and BDL. To my way of thinking the SPS is what a hunting rifle should be. Well I'd dump that plastic stock for a laminated wood one tho.

davis1as · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2005, 07:31:06 AM »

Thanks Greybeard that was exactly my line of thinking. Right down to the laminated stock.
Been looking for the perfect fit for a hunting rifle and the new sps is real close.
My favorite rifle is a Rem. VS in 308. To heavy to toto but unbeleviable accuracy.
What is accuracy like with the adl/bdl/sps line?

Notice the now have the 300wsm also. That may put another choice in the hat. What are your thoughts on 300win Vs. 300wsm

jvs · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2005, 08:41:35 AM »

I don't care what alphabet they put on it as long as it seems affordable to first time rifle buyers. To get into hunting shouldn't cost a youngster $1000 for a complete outfit, especially if he/she picks up the cost by her/himself. Being at the low end of Remington models, it is where younger people would be shopping.

Looking at these answers, I guess I'll have to go take a close look at these SPS's. Maybe the BDL is the endangered species with the SPS so close and the CDL in production.

And the 300 mag is a good cartridge, how it compares to a 300 wsm, I don't know. I suppose it might come down to that elusive 150 fps again.

Maybe Remington will come out with a SPSLS.

John R. · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2005, 08:48:47 AM »

Sorry about that,I haven't seen the SPS line yet. I agree also about the crappy looking synthetic stock needing to be replaced with a laminated one.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2005, 10:11:33 AM »

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I don't care what alphabet they put on it as long as it seems affordable to first time rifle buyers. To get into hunting shouldn't cost a youngster $1000 for a complete outfit, especially if he/she picks up the cost by her/himself. Being at the low end of Remington models, it is where younger people would be shopping.

I agree. I'm surprised youth envolvment hasn't declined due to the price of guns nowadays. Bull.

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2005, 10:44:18 AM »

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To heavy to toto but unbeleviable accuracy.
What is accuracy like with the adl/bdl/sps line?

I don't think there is any intrinsic difference in the accuracy potential. Even heavy barrel vs. pencil barrel the difference isn't that much. My Mtn. Rifles easily stay under MOA and often are right at 1/2 MOA. Even with barrel heating up a good barrel well bedded isn't supposed to walk them.

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Notice the now have the 300wsm also. That may put another choice in the hat. What are your thoughts on 300win Vs. 300wsm

I don't do magnums. See no value in them. Buy a .30-06 or .308 and learn to use it and it will do anything the magnum will do in the real world.

davis1as · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2005, 11:24:13 AM »

When are the new products arriving in local stores.
Anyone know of a internet site that may stock sooner?

jvs · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2005, 11:32:23 AM »

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I don't do magnums. See no value in them. Buy a .30-06 or .308 and learn to use it and it will do anything the magnum will do in the real world.

Geeez GB, we must be related somehow. I don't think my dad was ever in Alabama though.

TennSquire · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2005, 03:22:39 AM »

Graybeard,

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I don't think there is any intrinsic difference in the accuracy potential. Even heavy barrel vs. pencil barrel the difference isn't that much. My Mtn. Rifles easily stay under MOA and often are right at 1/2 MOA. Even with barrel heating up a good barrel well bedded isn't supposed to walk them.

Your statement caught my eye as I am in a battle with Remington at this very moment over a new 700 BDL in .223 that walks the POI over 7 inches as the barrel warms up. Remingtons answer, "All hunting guns walk." My argument is that yes, some gun's POI will move as it warms up, but over 7MOA is not acceptable. I also have a 700 BDL heavy barrel Varmint Special .223 made in 1971 that will hold the POI even after firing 100 rounds in under 30 minutes.

Remington doesn't believe it's the barrel causing this, so they won't replace it. They tell me I will just have to accept this gun walking the POI 7 inches as it warms up. Laws allow for the dispute of purchases when the manufacturer is given the opportunity in good faith to repair defects in a new product, and they refuse. After I explained that I purchased the gun using a credit card and the first statement hasn't arrived yet, they agreed to look into the possibility that some kind of unusual pressure on the recoil lug may be causing the walking. In any case, I'm not happy with my new gun and will probably stick with my older one even though it has a heavy barrel and I wanted a lighter gun to carry in the field.

TennSquire

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2005, 08:53:59 AM »

I'm amazed that Remington would tell you that. I've never seen them back up from their warranty before. I have two of their pencil thin Mtn. Rifles that sure don't walk when they heat up. No barrel will unless it is either bedded improperly or has stress in it that is causing it to warp as it heats. Truly good barrels don't walk them.

hunt127588 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2005, 04:18:45 PM »

It's funny how the ADLs changed over the years. My parents had given me my first deer rifle (700 ADL in .30-06) in 1989. My ADL has a jeweled bolt _and_ shiny blueing much like the BDLs of the day. It does have the aluminum trigger guard and no hinged floorplate as mentioned. It's probably one of my most accurate rifles I own.

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The ADL's don't have the hinged floorplate like the BDL's. The actions are the same. The BDL's have polished blue and the ADL's are matte finished. Hope this answers your question.

Well yeah BUT...

While that information is correct it is incomplete at this point. Remington has discontinued the ADL line and replaced it with the SPS line. The SPS guns DO have hinged floorplate like the BDL's.

I've held the new SPS line and as far as I can see it's precisely what the ADL line WAS but with the addition of the hinged floorplate the ADL lacked. So yes finish on metal and the stock are now about it between the SPS and BDL. To my way of thinking the SPS is what a hunting rifle should be. Well I'd dump that plastic stock for a laminated wood one tho.