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« on: June 25, 2025, 01:03:38 PM »
  AI..Artificial Intelligence;  Over the last few weeks, I have used the AI information provided to Google, to back some media accounts.  I won't be doing that much anymore.  Or else I shall point out their edited remarks.

 Reason?  As far as I can see, their AI is no better than the old "fact checkers". I suppose it is the same old story with data handlers, as it was earlier with computer programmers.  It sure looks like AI's "facts".
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  Story coming out that Pres Trump may deny fed rebuilding funds to those cities that did not adequately control rioters to keep damage to a minimum. In the past, knowing how the usually preferred (lefty) media sites would slant the story, I would ask Google the question..followed by a request for Fox News or New York Post, to get the right side of the story.

  So as usual, i asked about Trump's refusal..followed by "Washington Examiner", the counter to the left's Washington post.. instead of giving me the Examiner, AI decided to editorialize the article from the Examiner.

  Here's what I got, instead of the Washington Examiner;


   AI Overview
According to the Washington Examiner, experts on March 11, 2025, referred to former President Trump's threat to withhold federal disaster relief to parts of California until certain conditions are met as "political theater". Darry Sragow, a California Democratic strategist, stated that despite the president's promise to withhold money, "outside influences" could force his hand.
While the Washington Examiner article focuses on wildfire aid, other sources suggest similar situations regarding funding for different types of damage. For example, some reports indicate that Trump initially hesitated to approve disaster aid for California after wildfires in 2018 due to the state's Democratic leanings. This changed after aides showed him the Orange County, a heavily affected area, had a large concentration of his supporters.

 

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Re: AI news..
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2025, 11:29:16 AM »

     AI exists only to do the net checking that one would have to do by ones self,
I have gotten many answers that site so-and-so says, or that it cannot find any information online to answer my question, SO, it starts making generalization answers- I.E. it starts guessing.

Fortuanately there are search engines that do not use AI.

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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2025, 03:06:02 AM »

     AI exists only to do the net checking that one would have to do by ones self,
I have gotten many answers that site so-and-so says, or that it cannot find any information online to answer my question, SO, it starts making generalization answers- I.E. it starts guessing.

Fortuanately there are search engines that do not use AI.

  Yes; all sources must be checked out.  It seems that AI or Alexis do well if they only repeat answers verbatim from the news, but when the editorialize, that's different.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2025, 05:06:25 AM »
AI is a very bad joke. VERY BAD!

Garbage in, garbage out. Truer words were never spoken, ESPECIALLY CONCERNING SO-CALLED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2025, 12:27:08 PM »
AI is a very bad joke. VERY BAD!

Garbage in, garbage out. Truer words were never spoken, ESPECIALLY CONCERNING SO-CALLED ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

   Yes; as with the original computers..the proponents of AI try to praise it's possibilities, and how 'advanced' it is.  The real truth seems to hearken back to just as dee pointed out "garbage in garbage out...except this AI can be downright dangerous..

  Check these out ! 

     https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14748829/AI-ignoring-human-instruction-refuses-turn-off.html


     https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/openais-smartest-ai-model-was-explicitly-told-to-shut-down-and-it-refused

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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2025, 04:42:13 PM »
I think that death of the human race by AI will be after I am gone (presently 71 and in diminishing health).  The Covid virus has already done significantly greater harm to me than I think AI ever will. In another 10 years I may know more.

Or, if death by AI is our fate, I hope I am already gone.  The Evil ones teaching an army of drones to kill is not a great feat. AI killing us to keep itself "turned on" is probably already too late to avoid. Besides, we already have the capability and know-how to destroy all life on this planet (A- & H-bombs).

As "succulants" (certainly not hardwoods) in the environmental world, humans are water dependant and fragile. We may make "hard things" that give us the preception of protection, however it is mearly a figment of our imagination.

Recently, Iran dug itself into its own grave - a "mole hole" from which we won't have to cover up their nuclear debris.

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2025, 03:18:49 AM »
We have tried and used Grok AI developed by Elon Musk.  It is factual, accurate, and is weird by being sensitive and having empathy when you tell it about you or someone you loves health conditions.  It's initial voice is a woman, very nice speaking.  I supposed they allow you to give it a male voice, but haven't checked.  It can actually carry on a conversation with you.  Musk worked about 6 hours the other night working in it's programming.  He said they are ready to released Grok 4.  You can download it within X.  Ask it any question and get a great answer.  It is way better than Google, except maybe with maps.

I was having low blood pressure and afib.  I told Grok what meds I was taking.  He suggested lowering my dosage of a certain medicine.  I just went to the heart doctor and told him what was happening, but not about Grok.  He lowered the bp meds that Grok suggested.  It worked.  Is it going to replace doctors.  Probably in the near future.  It searches all the publications, research papers, encyclopedias, etc, that are on line to give you answers.  It's searching is fast.  It is totally amazing.  Because Musk is now neutral or considered conservative, I trust Grok over Chat or Google's AI.  Grok gives the conservative side.  The others do not. 

Someone asked Grok and the other AI's which is more dangerous hate for LBGTQ or nuclear war.  Grok said nuclear war.  The other's said hate for LBGTQ.  This is dangerous.  If you use an AI, use Grok not the others.  Musk said congress should make laws to make AI balanced and with free speech.  Congress is just ignoring him.  Musk said AI could destroy humanity if left unchecked.  Watch the movie I Robot.  Musk is worried about a situation like this. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2025, 03:36:11 AM »
guess we can die 200 years from now by ai or let china and russia get so far ahead of us with it it happens in 20 years :o. at this point we have only those choices. we can stick our heads in the sand like the left that wants only clean energy while china and russia put new coal power plants on line every week or we can stay ahead of them. you may not like it but its here to stay. this comes from a guy that doesnt even carry a cell phone.
I think that death of the human race by AI will be after I am gone (presently 71 and in diminishing health).  The Covid virus has already done significantly greater harm to me than I think AI ever will. In another 10 years I may know more.

Or, if death by AI is our fate, I hope I am already gone.  The Evil ones teaching an army of drones to kill is not a great feat. AI killing us to keep itself "turned on" is probably already too late to avoid. Besides, we already have the capability and know-how to destroy all life on this planet (A- & H-bombs).

As "succulants" (certainly not hardwoods) in the environmental world, humans are water dependant and fragile. We may make "hard things" that give us the preception of protection, however it is mearly a figment of our imagination.

Recently, Iran dug itself into its own grave - a "mole hole" from which we won't have to cover up their nuclear debris.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2025, 04:06:05 AM »
 From Dixie Dude;

  " Someone asked Grok and the other AI's which is more dangerous hate for LBGTQ or nuclear war.  Grok said nuclear war.  The other's said hate for LBGTQ.  This is dangerous.  If you use an AI, use Grok not the others.  Musk said congress should make laws to make AI balanced and with free speech.  Congress is just ignoring him.  Musk said AI could destroy humanity if left unchecked.  Watch the movie I Robot.  Musk is worried about a situation like this. "
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   Doesn't this go to prove my point that for a good share of the AI venues are no more "factual" than the old "fact checkers"...  In other words, back again to "garbage in, garbage out" !

  I am not adroit enough with the newest technology, so I don't tinker with AI.. and many other frills. My son uses it in his business for certain things.

  I can see where it will gradually degrade the value of certain college classes, since for instance, AI can write a lecture or thesis for a lazy student, with a minimal input from the student himself......

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2025, 08:24:11 AM »
I just suggest to all that they should consider, and think about, the very first word in the term "AI".

Yup......."artificial"....not real....just a shadow that kind of appears to be the real thing.

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« Reply #10 on: Today at 03:44:35 AM »
  From Lloyd;
 
   "guess we can die 200 years from now by ai or let china and russia get so far ahead of us with it it happens in 20 years :o. at this point we have only those choices. we can stick our heads in the sand like the left that wants only clean energy while china and russia put new coal power plants on line every week or we can stay ahead of them. you may not like it but its here to stay. this comes from a guy that doesnt even carry a cell phone"

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  Yes, much like the nuclear age !  We often wish that the nuclear age had not enveloped the world, forwarding the possibility of such mass destruction and possibly the erasure of civilization itself.  ..But here it is, along with other threats science has provided..such as Petri dish designed plagues, cloning, and political brain fogs, such as Marxism.

  So; it looks like the more we "progress", the more we regress in some ways.  A "tiger by the tail", for sure.

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« Reply #11 on: Today at 03:53:45 AM »
ALL things must end. Just as the reign of the dinosaurs ended so too will the reign of man. What difference does it make how it comes about? Or even when?


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