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Offline tomos_1

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« on: February 09, 2005, 10:50:56 AM »
I have a used classic 629 in .44 mag. The original owner had used some fairly hefty loads through it. At this time you can see where the gas has checked or ate the top of the frame assembly. I have had it checked by a gunsmith friend who lives in Colorado, and he said that as long as I kept to low powered loads I would be in great shape. espically, when hunting here in Illinois with whitetails being the predominate big game. BUT, know as my wife will not eat venison, I have been wondering if I could use this fine weapon for coyotes. And what load could be used (holding to a low powered pressure). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I do not reload, but with the coyote situation seemingly becoming more severe here in the state I have thought about getting a rifle eventually, but dang, I sure would like to try to use this revolver.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2005, 04:44:57 PM »
If the top strap is that bad, I'd probably have Smith take a look at it and if they think it needed work, I'd have them do it. I've never personally seen a gun that was so bad that it couldn't be used with any ammo loaded for it but, I've not seen everything either. I'd want it to do EVERYTHING it was designed to do.
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2005, 04:48:43 PM »
Sure you can it just how big of a hole do you want to fix? Lol. My wife don't eat deer either but that don't stop me or my daughter from eating it. Mmmmmmmmmm.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2005, 03:27:45 AM »
tomos_1:  that flame cutting you see in the topstrap of that 629 is basically just 'flame etching'.  I have never seen an S&W that had been so used or abused that the etching had resulted in any permanent damage.

The flame cutting or etching of the topstrap is caused by fast burning powders of the type that are used under lightweight bullets.  This flame etching concern first became noticeable with the Model 19 357s and the use of high speed, lightweight bullets where the faster burning powders used would 'etch' the topstrap.  However, this never created a functional problem with the S&Ws.  There were some other revolvers that had some real concerns, but not the S&Ws in the magnum calibers.

I don't think your gunsmith friend has done you any favors.  If that revolver is in such risky shape that he would advocate for the use of low powered loads it should be returned to S&W for repair or it should be de-commissioned and a new firearm issued to you.  If the only problem you have, or see is the flame etching, you can follow S.B.'s advice and send it back to S&W for an evaluation and repair.  Otherwise, I would shoot that thing to your heart's content and not worry about it.  I have never seen a 'top strap etched' S&W go into functional failure and would not advocate the use of low powered loads - if not done right, they can create a lot of problems with pressure variances you don't expect.  

As for hunting coyotes with that revolver - you can use any factory ammo you want to shoot, although the heavier loads would really be overkill.  For Yotes, you can use any of the factory 180 grain loads or even some of the 200 grain loads - fairly easy to shoot and easy on both you and the revolver.  HTH.  Mikey.

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2005, 11:01:22 AM »
To All who answered my questions, Thanks.
I did not inform you of everything done to the pistol, due to time constraints I had when I wrote the original letter.
The pistol has been back to the factory (after the etching) and had a new barrel put on and a new cylinder . The barrel had originally been a 6" and the replacement was a 5 ".
I personally would have thought that they would have said something then if it was bad enough. But after I purchased it I asked the guy about it, and that is when he told me that he would stick to lower powered shells. Then to make my concsious feel better I asked out in Colorado.
The guy I bought it from, was some kind of writer want a be, and used it with some hugely overpowered shells during comps.
Thanks again for the replies. I have made up my mind, that I might prefer to have the factory check it again. A new frame might be the best answer. :lol:

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2005, 11:36:47 AM »
I'm not sure what  comps are(The guy I bought it from, was some kind of writer want a be, and used it with some hugely overpowered shells during comps) but, if the factory checked it out and returned it I'd be sure it was good as new. I wouldn't worry about having to use any under powered shell. Did any of the previous owners say why the barrel and cylinder were replaced? If your in dought about the safety, call the factory(toll free) and ask, I'm sure they'll be glad to talk to you about it. Smith keeps good records and will know what your talking about when you get to the right person.
By the way, what lodge are you member of? I'm from Pontiac #294 AFAM.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2005, 05:41:52 PM »
I am a member of Frank N. Nicol Lodge #1170 in Creve Coeur,Il. Also a member of Pekin Chapter#25 , Peoria Council and Commandary #3.
Let me again thank you for the benefit of your knowledge. While I have enjoyed shooting most of my life. I have gotten out of it, due to not having any place to shoot anymore. When I lived in N.C. during the layoffs at Cat.I joined the Piedmont Handgunners, but as I was a plumber pipe fitter time was really scarce. So with the purchase of this revolver I thought I would finally get the chance to break away and finally get some shooting in. AND while my daughter was married to a good young man out there in  Colorado I carried it while camping and flyfishing on the Grand Mesa out near Grand Junction. Hopefully, I will be able to get back out, after retirement.
Oh, and by the way, the comps. was a pitiful try at saying competitions.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2005, 06:23:45 PM »
tomos, don't know what Cat plant you work at but, I've got some very good friends who work at some of the plants in your area. Chillicothie(sp)has some mighty fine shooting in their area. By the way, Streator has an indoor pin match on the 27th of this month on South Main St.  at the Sandyford Juniors Range if you get a chance? Send me an email at: bigben1948@verizon.net and I'll try to keep you informed of any I know of?
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