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« on: January 29, 2005, 01:51:43 PM »
Get a copy of the current issue of Rifle Shooter magazine.  The writer does a comparison of cartridge effeceincy of nearly all modern cartridges.

His data is too comprehensive to repeat here but basically he is looking to compare energy retained at 200yds compared to grains of powder burned, from handloads using max published charge weights.  This includes the newer WSM's as well.

The winner is..........................The 35 Whelen AI, but the standard Whelen is so close as to not be a issue.  It seems the 35 cal has a lot on the ball in the effeciency area.

Of course, this comes to no suprise to you Whelen and other 35 cal owners.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2005, 02:11:43 PM »
You're making me want to ream the .357 maxi, now! :-D
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2005, 08:08:36 PM »
I'm kinda wondering about a 358 BLR.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2005, 08:58:13 PM »
Well, I sure love my .308 BLR, it's been my favorite for over 20yrs and kilt a lot of deer and elk. :wink:
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2005, 09:29:21 PM »
Quick.. It surely won't kill the new Bionic elk will it? You know, the ones that only a 300 Ultr Mag or bigger will kill? Thats a tall tale :lol:
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2005, 01:46:26 AM »
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Quick.. It surely won't kill the new Bionic elk will it? You know, the ones that only a 300 Ultr Mag or bigger will kill? Thats a tall tale :lol:

I don't know if it's evolution or just something in the water, but the deer around were once hunted mainly with a 30-30, now all I see are .300 magnums on up. I guess the deer would laugh at you if you used a 30-30 now.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2005, 02:47:24 AM »
Folks: Hunted below a landfill years ago and had a deer hit solidly with 2 slugs from 2 different shooters. Found a blood trail and followed it for a mile or more, only to have it peter out and loose it in a grass field. We circled the last blood for the better part of the afternoon. From then on I used slugs cast from a 50/50 alloy of silver and kryptonite, lord I hate alien mutations.  :wink: <>< Duce:
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2005, 09:06:54 AM »
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Folks: Hunted below a landfill years ago... Duce:


Well, that explains it - you shot yourselves one of them recyclable deer.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2005, 09:49:12 AM »
In additon to the supermagnum rifle, you also need a turbo diesel truck, 2002 or newer to kill a deer or elk around here!
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2005, 11:28:11 AM »
Each spring durint bear season I use either my .35 Whelen or a .350 Rem Mag for bears.  Black Bears don't go far if they go any, with either one.  Haven't used one on a Grizzlie yet but looking for the chance.  Feel either one will do the job.  Every year I meet people that have taken Grizzlies with a .35 Whelen.  My Dad used my .35 Whelen Handi to kill a Moose a few years ago and we all were impressed.  I really like the 35 cal 250 gr Nosler partition bullet.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2005, 02:16:25 PM »
His test data was from a reloading manual, He mentioned which one but I don't have the article here to check.  He used the load that produced the most velocity/bullet type and weight.  As much as possible bullets were same type, ie. Nosler Ballistic tip etc.

His only "published" data were at 200yds and it was ft/lbs of energy and the final number was from some formula that he called the "L" factor.  He quoted where the formula came from, but the same formula was used on all loads.

It was just a straight comparison of ft/lbs of energy remaining at 200yds per grain of powder used.

In the sub 30cal category, the 7-08 was most effeceint and the over 30ca it was the 35 cal. with the 35 Whelen AI number 1 and the standard Whelen as number 2.  I think the 350 Rem mag was 3, but not sure.  All of them beat out the 30 cals.

This doesn't mean they produced more energy than the other rounds, it was more energy "for powder burned".  This was an efeciency test, not an overall power test.  A 300 Win Mag still had a considerable amount more energy, but there was a price to pay, more recoil, more muzzle blast and more costly in terms of powder used.

The only ones that beat out the 35's were the big boys like the 458's (not the 45-70, it wasn't listed) and 416's.  The article is a good read.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2005, 08:24:51 AM »
I LIKE the super-magnums for deer.
I say use as much horsepower as your shoulder can handle !
For close-range deer hunting I use my 458 Lott or 45-70+p+ handloaded to the MAXX.
Will take deer QUICKLY from any shot angle/presentation !
For long range I use a 375 H&H Mag....yes both are overkill, but I NEVER have to worry about penetration issues regarding odd shot angles.
Would I use a 30/30 ? Yeah, if I did not have anything more powerful.

Recoil of the big-guns jest lets you know you touched off something WORTHWHILE !
BIG-BORE all the way !
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2005, 04:04:15 PM »
I will admit I love watchin the 300 Win Mag bark a shot at a milk jug or TV, but honestly for deer, it's too much.

A friend of mine is the worst case I have seen yet...he likes a 270 for groundhogs and his 300 Win Mag is 'too small' for deer. He is now stepping up to either a 375 H&H or a 458 Win Mag for his deer killing needs :shock: Nothing against him, but honsetly I would even enjoy hunting deer with such calibers...unless ofcourse they are mutant deer.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2005, 05:42:07 AM »
375 H&H and 458 Win Mag sound just fine to me for deer.
No matter what bullet is used (don't use a 375WIN 220gr flat point), there will be absolutely no failure to penetrate, no matter what the shot angle !

I have deer hunted with the 375 H&H and next year I intend to deer hunt with my 458 LOTT !

NOTHING beats the bone-smashin' performance of a BIG-BORE !
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2005, 04:09:25 PM »
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A friend of mine is the worst case I have seen yet...he likes a 270 for groundhogs and his 300 Win Mag is 'too small' for deer. He is now stepping up to either a 375 H&H or a 458 Win Mag for his deer killing needs :shock: Nothing against him, but honsetly I would even enjoy hunting deer with such calibers...unless ofcourse they are mutant deer.


That's quite frankly ridiculous.  I almost feel guilty using a .30-06 because it blows such big holes in the deer.  Anything bigger than .30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag is just too big for regular whitetails.  Heck I used my 6.5x55 a good bit this year and am currently working on a .257 Roberts custom gun for use next season.

Of course, I see some of the weirdest fascinations these days.  Like young guys that come out to the target range (we have a public range around here with no range masters or anything) and set a target out at 10-15 yards and just keep shooting it with 12 ga dove loads, giggling the whole time.  I'm young myself, but I grew up shooting.  When I see people like that I just know that they hit legal age and bought a shotgun to play with because they finally could legally.  I know that they should have a legal right to KBA, but it's these types of people who are shooting themselves and have the lefties clamoring for extra safeties and crap :roll:.
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