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Offline TXSURVEYOR

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Taking the plung
« on: February 04, 2005, 09:50:42 AM »
I am going to take the plung into handloading. Like most rookie re-loaders
I have questions.  I do not know any hand loaders so the first thing I have done
is purchased a book, The A,B,C's of reloading. I hope it is a good place to start.
My first question is what do I need to get going? I have been eyeing the
Lee anniversary kit. The kit says all I need to get started is dies, but which dies to buy? Lee has a bunch of different dies for my 30/30 and 30/06 so which ones do I really need? I know safety is the MOST important thing,
so I plan to only load from published load data.

Next Question, what do I need for case prep?

Besides what is included in the kit what else do I really need? I want get
started in this hobby as inexpensively as I can without compromising safety or enjoyment. I would like to get a tumbler later and add more components as I go.  I thank you for your advice.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 10:07:57 AM »
I would personally (and did) go with the CBS Rock Chucker Kit.  It is more expensive, but worth it in my eyes.  It helped me out alot by having someone show me the ins and outs of reloading.  You will need manuals for the different bullets you load, a trimmer, tumbler, primers, powder, bullets, brass...etc.  Die and shell holders will be in the purchase list...that should get you started with the RCBS kit.


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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2005, 10:39:25 AM »
You need two kits to get started properly.

The RCBS Rock Chucker Kit and the RCBS Accessory Kit.

As for getting everything you will need?  It will never happen...believe me...there will always be something else.

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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2005, 11:15:33 AM »
I know you never have everything. But just the accessary kit and thats it?

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2005, 08:13:14 PM »
don't know what's in the kits of any brand, but I strongly urge you to get several manuals.  I like the Speer and Lymans to start.  Was re reading my Hornady last night and its a good one too.  

Read through their instructions and you'll have a good idea of what you need.  And when it comes to choosing a load look at all your books and compare the suggested load for the bullet and powder you want to use.  You'll see some variation in max loads but it should help you decide on a preferred powder, starting load and warn you when you might be headed into HOT load levels. At least with the 30-30 and 30-06 the load variations aren't likely to be as variable (confusing) as for some hand gun loads.

As for dies - get good ones, I have no experience with Lee RGB dies, but I'd lean toward their top level die.  In 30-30 the collet die might be worth it as they may cut down case stretch.  And for the 30-30 I'd recommend their factory crimp die - but its not necessary.

Get a good caliper.  Right now I have a digital one I got for only $28 at Shucks Auto.  Sure beats trying to read my old vernier with bifocals.

Hang out on GB forums and you'll learn a lot.

I really like the Lee Auto Prime hand priming tool.  Very handy.

Welcome and Good luck. Hey check out the Classifieds here and Ebay and you may pick up what you need for reasonable $.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2005, 08:04:59 AM »
If you go for one of the kits, whether RCBS or Lee anniversary or whatever, they have most of the tools you'll need. I don't know whether the RCBS has one or not, but a case trimmer will become necessary eventually; they're $3-$4 for the Lee version, but you need one for each caliber you're loading. Also a chamfering/deburring tool.

All kits I'm aware of come with powder scales; if not, get one.

I prefer a Lee hand primer, but I'm not using a press at the moment anyway; I'm using the Lee loaders. In which case I also use a couple of hammers  :shock:

Among the things you need that may not be in the kits are:
A good caliper for case & OAL measurements. The digital ones run close to $40 most places and are easier to read than the dials; I found one at Harbor Freight Tools for $16 on sale.

Some kind of shell holder when you're working with 100 or more rounds at a time. You can lube them all at once that way if you're using a spray lube like One Shot, which is what I prefer.

Scale check weights. You need to check your scale with known weights periodically to make sure it's accurate/calibrated.

A Chronograph. $100 or so new; I'm looking for a refurbished one but haven't found one. Since a home relaoder has no way of accurately measuring pressures, a chrony is the next best thing when you're working up to max. loads.

Several manuals. The Lyman 48th edition has helped me greatly, and I picked up some of the "One Book/One Caliber" manuals for each caliber I'm loading; they have advice from each bullet & powder mfg. for the caliber of your choice. There are others; read as much as you can and educate yourself.

This and other forums have lots of experience you can learn from. Be careful taking maximum load advice from anyone; always start with minimum and work up to it from there.

Every time you change a component in a load you like, such as bullet type or weight, start back at minimum. Things can behave very differently with minor changes. Also, be aware whether a bullet or powder manufacturer you're using has changed things; that can alter the accuracy of a load a lot as well.

Lastly, be careful of the "I want all the velocity I can possibly get" mentality. It tends to lead to high pressures and dangerous loads for some people. A .223 shooting 50gr NBT's at 3250fps will kill a coyote just as dead as one running 3400fps, and may even be more accurate. Not everyone gets carried away doing this, but some do. Don't take chances. Do I sound paranoid? Let's just say I once had an eye-opening experience using black powder... :shock:

Good luck, and stay safe. Let us know what you decide...
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2005, 10:38:21 AM »
If you are only loading for 2-3 cartridges you can save money with the Lee case trimmer.  Also the other Lee equipment is fine to get started with.  If you pay attention to the manuals and follow them you won't absolutely have to have a chrono, but you'll want one sooner or later.  Just watch carefully for excessive pressure signs and ask questions!!!!
If you have doubts at the range,  put things away and go home.  Wishing you hadn't fired that last round won't help a bit.  Don't be distracted when weighing charges and visually check all the charged cases to see that they look about the same fullness of powder before corking them up with a bullet.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2005, 03:29:09 PM »
The Lee Anniversary kit comes with pretty much everything you need to start, except dies as noted.  A tumbler isn't required (or included in the above kit), but I'd recommend getting one.  I think I paid $50 for mine (Frankford Arsenal).  

As to dies, though all Lee equipment works, I find I don't like their dies.  The locking rings don't really lock and the decapping/expanding collet is difficult to remove.  From what I've used for a good value in dies get Lyman.  Lee does seem to make some more obscure calibers that would cost a lot more from other companies (7.62x25, 7.5x55 are prime examples for me), so in those cases Lee is a good choice, so long as you order different locking rings.

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2005, 10:04:25 PM »
When you are ready to start, four words...Imperial sizing die wax!!!
Please throw away the lube pad and associated tube of grape vine sap that comes with it. My first piece of reloading equipment was a good manual (old Hornady, brown cover). I read the manual until I understood it! Then I bought an RCBS kit and started to familiarize myself with the process of reloading, all went well 'til it came time to lube the cases for sizing...darn near boxed everything up and set it out with the trash. Lucky for me, a good friend GAVE me a can of Imperial sizing die wax. I have been loading for years from that can. Their are many good products on the market now, please check back on these forums for good suggestions and advice.