went out monday night to do a little piggin from the 4wheeler and grabbed the sportster 17 hmr , well i got 3 ground hogs that evening , one was a very nice 183 paces across a hay field, one 56 paces and the thrird 78 paces , and each one i hit from the shoulder up in the head area , and those 17 hornady balistic tips really did the number on these hogs, big ol puddle of blood around them by the time i walked up on them , still amazes me this little pill and how it works matched up with the nef sportster and iam good to go!!!!