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Offline FWiedner

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Do you have a right to Police protection?
« on: February 05, 2005, 07:22:44 AM »
Do you have a right to Police protection?

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One of the basic themes of gun control is that only the police and military should have handguns or any type of firearm. I cannot explain their rationale, other than to say that gun control proponents must believe that the police exist to protect the citizenry from victimization. But in light of court decisions we find such is not the case. You have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime. Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations!. To be fair to our men in blue, I think most officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that they are under no legal obligation to do so.


Case Histories

Ruth Brunell called the police on 20 different occasions to plead for protection from her husband. He was arrested only one time. One evening Mr. Brunell telephoned his wife and told her he was coming over to kill her. When she called the police, they refused her request that they come to protect her. They told her to call back when he got there. Mr. Brunell stabbed his wife to death before she could call the police to tell them that he was there. The court held that the San Jose police were not liable for ignoring Mrs. Brunell's pleas for help. Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App. 3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975).
[Those of you in the Silicon Valley, please note what city this happened in!]

Consider the case of Linda Riss, in which a young woman telephoned the police and begged for help because her ex-boyfriend had repeatedly threatened "If I can't have you no one else will have you, and when I get through with you, no-one else will want you." The day after she had pleaded for police protection, the ex-boyfriend threw lye in her face, blinding her in one eye, severely damaging the other, and permanently scarring her features. "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand," wrote a dissenting opinion in her tort suit against the City, "is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus, by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of New York which now denies all responsibility to her." Riss v. New York, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y. 1968). [Note: Linda Riss obeyed the law, yet the law prevented her from arming herself in self-defense.]

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: ``For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers.'' The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a ``fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.'' Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981).

The seminal case establishing the general rule that police have no duty under federal law to protect citizens is DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (109 S.Ct. 998, 1989). Frequently these cases are based on an alleged ``special relationship'' between the injured party and the police. In DeShaney the injured party was a boy who was beaten and permanently injured by his father. He claimed a special relationship existed because local officials knew he was being abused, indeed they had ``specifically proclaimed by word and deed [their] intention to protect him against that danger,'' but failed to remove him from his father's custody. ("Domestic Violence -- When Do Police Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect?'' Special Agent Daniel L. Schofield, S.J.D., FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, January, 1991.)

The Court in DeShaney held that no duty arose because of a "special relationship,'' concluding that Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves. ``The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.'' (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 109 S.Ct. 998 (1989) at 1006.)

About a year later, the United States Court of Appeals interpreted DeShaney in the California case of Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department. (901 F.2d 696 9th Cir. 1990) Ms. Balistreri, beaten and harassed by her estranged husband, alleged a "special relationship'' existed between her and the Pacifica Police Department, to wit, they were duty-bound to protect her because there was a restraining order against her husband. The Court of Appeals, however, concluded that DeShaney limited the circumstances that would give rise to a "special relationship'' to instances of custody. Because no such custody existed in Balistreri, the Pacifica Police had no duty to protect her, so when they failed to do so and she was injured they were not liable.

A citizen injured because the police failed to protect her can only sue the State or local government in federal court if one of their officials violated a federal statutory or Constitutional right, and can only win such a suit if a "special relationship'' can be shown to have existed, which DeShaney and its progeny make it very difficult to do. Moreover, Zinermon v. Burch (110 S.Ct. 975, 984 1990) very likely precludes Section 1983 liability for police agencies in these types of cases if there is a potential remedy via a State tort action.

Many states, however, have specifically precluded such claims, barring lawsuits against State or local officials for failure to protect, by enacting statutes such as California's Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846 which state, in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals.''

In other words this means the only people the police are duty-bound to protect are criminals in custody, and other persons in custody for such things as mental disorders. YOU have no recourse if the police fail to respond or fail to protect you from injury!

http://home.pacbell.net/dragon13/policeprot.html
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2005, 09:29:04 AM »
People need to realize the police are reactionary only.  They have no motive, or inclination for that matter, to protect the general public.  When I see "To Protect and Serve" on the side of a cruiser I have to wonder who put it there and why?  They can't protect you unless they are present to administer a preemptive strike against someone who would do you harm and that isn't possible.  This is why we all need to keep ourselves in a position of being self sufficient

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2005, 05:05:41 PM »
It never ceases to amaze me how certain people rely on police power to finish the dirty work they start, but suddenly realize they aren't tough enough to end themselves.

If there was less police intervention in public affairs, there would be a whole lot more civility in the private sector.

There is a big difference between police protection, and police oppression. After all, police agencies do comprise the enforcement echelon of the government. And much of their duty involves collecting money for the government in the form of fines for one supposedly good reason, or another.

I have personally been a victim of police, and judicial misconduct on more than one occassion. Believe me, the individual citizen isn't always wrong.

One sane police officer did tell me quite frankly, "You don't have to die for no S.O.B. If, and when you know your life is being threatened - and you'll know it - you kill the b--t--d. You can worry about legal matters later."

Contemporary society is becoming much too effeminate in that it insists on everyone being sensitive to those who just don't plain deserve it. We aren't allowed to express ourselves the way honorable, masculine men normally would when a set of knuckles is really all that is required to shut a punk's dirty mouth. And heaven help us should we dare use a deadly weapon to end the life of some two-legged maggot.

Today we have sensitivity therapy, and psychiatric drugs that suppress the natural aggression in boys who will one day be expected to act like men. All this PC nonsense accomplishes is the creation of large boys that are easily manipulated by our twisted society.

I might be headed to jail again next week due to an incident that suddenly flared-up in my face in a public place. I found myself being treated like a piece of crap by a young female twit. Instead of shying away from this disrespectful wench as one of the brainwashed eunuchs would surely do, I had the audacity to verbally abuse her, and then walk away from her. I suppose this will cost me a heavy fine, many hours of community service, and several sessions with an anger management therapist.  :roll:

Before my manly brother was murdered by his second wife (She got away with it too.) he told me he wished he had been born in the nineteenth century when a man could actually live like a man, and had to be able to back-up his words, as well as his actions without Mr. Badge looking over his shoulder everytime he farted.

Well, big brother, you are now in a far better place than even the romanticized old West could ever have been. I'm truly looking forward to the inevitable time when I can join you.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2005, 02:12:04 AM »
NO flaming of police is intended, That said, they are only ones that have knowledge of the proper paperwork to fill out when reporting an incident.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2005, 06:08:24 AM »
Quote from: williamlayton
NO flaming of police is intended, That said, they are only ones that have knowledge of the proper paperwork to fill out when reporting an incident.
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But it is the grim task of coroners to provide body bags for the otherwise innocent victims of a zero tolerance system that flippantly defines the word violence as behavior that is totally unacceptable under any circumstances. This asinine refusal to accept reality as it is, and deal with it realistically is utterly absurd.

The zero tolerance policy that dictates little Jonny can't deck the bully who torments him in school, but is told it is his solemn duty to take up arms against total strangers in a foreign land for whatever reason deemed justifiable at the time is outrageous. Is it really any wonder so many contemporary soldiers develop devastating psychological disorders that scar their tortured souls for life. Even before the PC concept of zero tolerance infected society, my brother returned from Vietnam in a state of shock that morphed into a seething rage. Somehow, (Jesus, of course.) my brother survived the trauma this evil world inflicted upon him, and he became the most compassionate, and empathetic man I have ever had the honor of knowing.

As we all know, it is no longer politically correct for police chiefs to handout bumper stickers stating, FIGHT CRIME-SHOOT BACK! Now, all they are allowed to do is lamely mumble, "Uh, don't take the law into your own hands. Just dial 911, and wait for the police to arrive."

Meanwhile, the bodies of successfully brainwashed sheeple keep piling up. And another frustrated little Jonny becomes a ticking time bomb just waiting for the wrong word, or action of some dweeb to set him off.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2005, 01:15:13 PM »
The Police have no duty to protect you in any state. They draw way more chalk lines then murders they prevent. Was a time when the citizen had way more police power. Funny the crime rate was way lower then. A good book to read is "Dial 911 And Die" It gives cases in every state as to what happened when the citizen trusted the police to protect him. Then it tells you the results when they tried to sue the departments for not protecting them.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 02:53:33 AM »
No police force has ever held the right, the power or the authority to protect or defend an individual citizen.  That right, power and authority belongs to the individual citizen under the 2nd Amendment.  

If you are in danger, you must defend yourself.  As you can tell by the court cases listed, the courts will only exonerate the cops for not protecting you.  You must defend yourself or suffer the consequences.

Please note that the police only have a 'response time' - that identifies how long it took them to respond to your call - that means the crime has already been committed and you have already been victimized.  Mikey.

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 06:55:46 AM »
How true Mikey. To bad 90% of the people don't know that. Up until near the very end of the 19th century the main one responsible for the peace was the common citizen. The Sheriff and his Deputy their main job was to collect taxes. As the law enforcement agencys our now in the country they by our founding fathers standards would be unconstitutional. The founding fathers didn't want any goverment agency to have such power over the people. No matter how you look at it the Police Departments wrok for the goverment and it is to the point the h**l with the common mans rights