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Offline jeff223

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« on: December 09, 2004, 12:08:32 PM »
Veral do you sell bullets as well as molds?i would like to try the 180gr flat nose 357gr bullets with a gas check first before i think about a mold.its hard for me to spend over a $100.00 for the mold not knowing the bullet will work for me.i have a Contender with a 12 inch barrel and from what i have read the 180gr bullets are a good one to start with for the 357max.i want a good bullet that is accurate on paper and a good performer on game and from what i have read here your bullets are just that.i was thinking about using the Hornady 180gr single shot pistol bullets but for the things i will use this gun for a good cast bullet will fit the bill.sounds like the cast bullets do a great job on deer.never worked with cast at all but have had great results with a number of jacketed bullets in rifles i reload for.the Contender should be a great gun to start shooting cast bullets in.

i checked out Mid south Shooters supplies,Midway and Natchez Shooter Supplies and they all have some cast bullets but i dont see any like yours.

can you or anyone else help me out here?

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2004, 05:24:34 AM »
I was under the impression that Cast Performance was LBT or at least using LBT molds.  Mebbe I'm way off here.  This one took a nice whitetail doe this year.  http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/827283

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2004, 05:59:08 AM »
I can respond to that one for you until Veral arrives.

No he makes moulds not bullets. Lots of folks out there use his moulds to make bullets. Cast Performance as far as I know does use LBT moulds and for sure the bullet designs they offer are Veral's. There are other mould makers who have copied Veral's designs and even call them LBT but really unless you buy it from Veral they are not REAL LBT design moulds and are mere copies. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2004, 06:35:03 PM »
You have a very valid concern in not wanting to spend a lot of money on a mold that doesn't work well.  Trust me, no one gets poor results from LBT molds if they ask questions about which bullet design to purchase, and let me know what kind of work they want the bullet to do.  I have set up LBT to eliminate that completely, and I did it 20 years ago because I was let down on so many molds which I had bought.  Since I've developed the technology to make lead work, fitting a gun is a scientific matter with me, with certain good results, whether it is your gun or mine.  I consider this claim my legitimate right to be your mold maker.

   The 180 gr FN gas checked is an excellent choice for the maximum, and suitable for 357 magnum revolvers as well.  If you intend to use it only in the  maximum Contender only, a 200 gr would make it act more like a heavy rifle, with considerably more whallop and accuracy at the longest ranges.  

    If you've followed my forum you already know that I reccomend lapping of most guns, and slug it to be sure of the diameter bullet you need.  If you do those two things, are reasonably carefull with your casting and sizing, and use LBT lubricant you will find bullets from your LBT mold will shoot as well or better than any bullet you can buy, and will not be particular about specific loads to obtain accuracy.  IF you don't love the performance you get, just let me know and I'll walk you through the problems which are hurting performance.  LBT stands for Lead Bullet Technology, and I'm not done with you till you understand how to make your guns work.

   I hope that doesn't sound like hard selling, because it isn't.  It is just a matter of being scientifically precise, which makes your gun the precision launch pad everyone hopes for.

    Cast Performance probably uses a few molds which I made yet, as I did produce their molds up to 1990, and made the original Federal Cast Core molds which they origainally used to produce bullets for Federal.  However they have no affiliation with us any more, and sell quite a few bullets which are definately not my designs and which I would not make for a customer without warning him that it would give inferior performance.  I WILL make nonstandard molds at customer request, and have made quite a few that way, but I always warn them if I know it isn't a strong design.  -- For this reason, I definately cannot reccomend anyone trying bullets from Cast Performance, or Beartooth, who both claim to sell LBT designs.   The last mold which I sold to Beartooth was probably around  1995.  Both casters are using personalized "copies" of LBT designs and claiming they are LBT designs.  When another moldmaker cuts the mold, it probably won't cast bullets with the precision balance which LBT molds do, and if the design isn't mine, trying their bullets will not necessarily make LBT look very good.   Two more very serious problems is that cast bullets MUST fit your gun to shoot properly, and commercial casters probably won't deliver the size you need, nor equal the quality you will produce yourself.  Furthermore neither of these suppliers use LBT lubricant.    For all these reasons, trying bullets from them will not show yoy the performance that LBT will sell you.



    To date I've only stated that I knew no one who sells LBT design bullets, but with your pointed questions, and the missinformation which is purposly being advertised by these cast bullet makers, I feel it is time to make the truth clear to the public.
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2004, 02:52:16 AM »
Veral,
thanks for the reply.i will get with my gun smith friend and i will hand lap the bore there at his place.i will also have him slug the bore for me.it would be good to know what the bore slugs out at.the 200gr bullet might be just the ticket.i want the max hitting power and the best accuracy i can get.im new to the Contender game and i might as will do it right.i never casted any bullets before so i may need help from you and others.i do have a lead melting pot and a couple of latles for casting fishing jigs.

just how fast would i be pushing a 200gr bullet?

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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2004, 07:18:44 AM »
I'm glad you mentioned hand lapping.  Don't do it.  It will take hours,  give you sore muscles all over, and produce a barrel far inferior to one lapped the easy way with the LBT lap kit.

   Just slug the barel using our push through slugs, then order a a lap kit, and mold in the weight you want.  Let me know that you intend to lap, and the diameter your barrel slugs before lapping.  I'll make the proper allowence in the mold and you lap with bullets from that mold. You'll like what you get.
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2005, 05:32:39 AM »
Veral & all, howdy...

I bought my .357 Max TC barrel back in the day when the Max. was a new chambering commercially.
During the first few years, I shot mostly jacketed through it with good results. Being a bullet caster for he better part of my life, I decided to start pushing them through the barrel in an effort to glean a good accurate load with cast.
Initially, my efforts were fraught with frustration and disappointments using SWC designs, and the usual revolver bullets. They were good, but not really great.
Veral, I bought one of your "LBT Hardness Testers" for that reason back in 83 (I believe). Using it made life a whole lot easier in determining the appropriate hardness.
I still have it and still use it ALOT.......even though you made improvements to it afterwards, I kept the one I have...."if it works, don't fix it" I guess.

Anyhoo, although I have many, many moulds, I still don't have an LBT, which may change in the near future.
The RCBS 200gr. GC mould was the first one I used with good success. A SAECO mould of similar configuration, although 180gr. GC, was another workable offering.

It seemed that bullets with a gradual ogive to the bearing surface, made it the best bullet for the gun, accuracy wise.
The wide meplat on your bullets Veral, along with the same configuration overall, at least for me, makes it more desirable for hunting.

I agree that WW's, for the most part, is a very good base alloy. I water quench everything that shoots 1350fps and above. Most of the time, I also use a gaschecked design as well.
If anything, I add a little tin to improve flow characteristics, and, as a by product, it does harden things a bit, even if slightly so.
Fillout is much better as WW's are light on tin at .5%.
Normally (using the LBT Tester  :wink:  ) my water quenched WW's run at 14BHN after setting a day or two. I can reach upper teens mixing stuff a little.

I also agree that 180grs. should be about minimum with cast bullets in the Maximum, and 200 or more would be better.

My 2.....

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2005, 06:22:55 PM »
Experiance.

Nobody can argue it wisely.  Thanks Bob
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