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Old Gun Law Reaps New Benefits in San Francisco
« on: February 04, 2005, 08:48:46 AM »
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SAN FRANCISCO — A renewed enforcement of a 10-year-old law has reaped big new benefits in San Francisco, where police cite it as a primary factor in a recent drop in homicides.

"Triggerlock," (search) as the federal law is known, allows police to arrest suspected violent criminals on lesser charges. After an arrest is made, police search the suspect for guns. If they find even one, the suspect can be sentenced to 10 years in prison, effectively keeping him or her off the street.

The San Francisco Police Department (search ) turned to the law in the wake of a spike in homicides in early 2004, which they say may have been due to a rise in gang activity, as opposed to increased numbers of criminals in the city.

Lt. John Murphy, (search ) who works in the department’s gang unit, said, “there was a handful of thugs who were basically killing people left and right and they didn’t care.” Cops said nabbing the suspects was the key to reducing the violence.

Cops credit Triggerlock with the success. After its implementation, the second half of 2004 saw marked drop in homicides, down to 35 from 53. Murphy cited the removal of gang members and leaders as chief among the successes of Triggerlock.





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Re: Old Gun Law Reaps New Benefits in San Francisco
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 01:21:45 PM »
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Fox News

SAN FRANCISCO — A renewed enforcement of a 10-year-old law has reaped big new benefits in San Francisco, where police cite it as a primary factor in a recent drop in homicides.

"Triggerlock," (search) as the federal law is known, allows police to arrest suspected violent criminals on lesser charges. After an arrest is made, police search the suspect for guns. If they find even one, the suspect can be sentenced to 10 years in prison, effectively keeping him or her off the street.

The San Francisco Police Department (search ) turned to the law in the wake of a spike in homicides in early 2004, which they say may have been due to a rise in gang activity, as opposed to increased numbers of criminals in the city.

Lt. John Murphy, (search ) who works in the department’s gang unit, said, “there was a handful of thugs who were basically killing people left and right and they didn’t care.” Cops said nabbing the suspects was the key to reducing the violence.

Cops credit Triggerlock with the success. After its implementation, the second half of 2004 saw marked drop in homicides, down to 35 from 53. Murphy cited the removal of gang members and leaders as chief among the successes of Triggerlock.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2005, 03:26:25 PM »
Dali--- JUST A QUESTION. I am not baiting or argueing.
Do you have a bigger thought in mind, I am not sure what your question really is ???
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2005, 02:56:58 AM »
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Dali--- JUST A QUESTION. I am not baiting or argueing.
Do you have a bigger thought in mind, I am not sure what your question really is ???
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Dali Llama say no offense taken.  Dali say he only wonder if others think that end result (in this case, nogoodniks off streets and crime reduction) justify means (in this case, search and arrest for gun possession).
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2005, 01:58:21 PM »
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Dali--- JUST A QUESTION. I am not baiting or argueing.
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Dali Llama say no offense taken.  Dali say he only wonder if others think that end result (in this case, nogoodniks off streets and crime reduction) justify means (in this case, search and arrest for gun possession).


No offense here dali but...

The article said “suspected violent criminals” so I don’t think this was a door to door search of citizen’s homes.   Violent criminals are felons that aren’t supposed to have guns.    So I would say yes, that the end result did justify the means.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2005, 04:47:54 AM »
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"Triggerlock," (search) as the federal law is known, allows police to arrest suspected violent criminals on lesser charges. After an arrest is made, police search the suspect for guns. If they find even one, the suspect can be sentenced to 10 years in prison, effectively keeping him or her off the street.


Can someone explain this to me...especially this part...allows police to arrest suspected  violent criminals on lesser charges....what charges...unless warrents have been issued... are the police allowed to arrest anyone on? This seems to me to be in direct violation of a persons constitutional rights here....

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 07:53:58 AM »
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Dali--- JUST A QUESTION. I am not baiting or argueing.
Do you have a bigger thought in mind, I am not sure what your question really is ???
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Dali Llama say no offense taken.  Dali say he only wonder if others think that end result (in this case, nogoodniks off streets and crime reduction) justify means (in this case, search and arrest for gun possession).


No offense here dali but...

The article said “suspected violent criminals” so I don’t think this was a door to door search of citizen’s homes.   Violent criminals are felons that aren’t supposed to have guns.    So I would say yes, that the end result did justify the means.
"Suspected" of what though, ask Dali Llama? :?
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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 08:12:02 AM »
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Dali--- JUST A QUESTION. I am not baiting or argueing.
Do you have a bigger thought in mind, I am not sure what your question really is ???
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Dali Llama say no offense taken.  Dali say he only wonder if others think that end result (in this case, nogoodniks off streets and crime reduction) justify means (in this case, search and arrest for gun possession).


No offense here dali but...

The article said “suspected violent criminals” so I don’t think this was a door to door search of citizen’s homes.   Violent criminals are felons that aren’t supposed to have guns.    So I would say yes, that the end result did justify the means.


"Suspected" of what though, ask Dali Llama? :?


Like it says...  "violent crimes" that's what.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2005, 12:14:13 PM »
Al Capone was arrested on a lesser charge, tax evasion.  So, this isn't really new.  :wink:

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2005, 01:32:31 AM »
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"Triggerlock," (search) as the federal law is known, allows police to arrest suspected violent criminals on lesser charges. After an arrest is made, police search the suspect for guns. If they find even one, the suspect can be sentenced to 10 years in prison, effectively keeping him or her off the street.


Can someone explain this to me...especially this part...allows police to arrest suspected  violent criminals on lesser charges....what charges...unless warrents have been issued... are the police allowed to arrest anyone on? This seems to me to be in direct violation of a persons constitutional rights here....

Mac
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2005, 08:18:18 AM »
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Al Capone was arrested on a lesser charge, tax evasion.  So, this isn't really new.  :wink:


Like Shorty said, this is not a new thing.   Sounds to me like some here are a bit too paranoid .
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2005, 09:08:08 AM »
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Al Capone was arrested on a lesser charge, tax evasion.  So, this isn't really new.  :wink:


Like Shorty said, this is not a new thing.   Sounds to me like some here are a bit too paranoid .
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2005, 05:01:10 PM »
EVERYONE who's arrested is always a suspect.  Innocence or guilt is proven by the court.  It's always been this way.