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« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2005, 03:34:26 PM »
It has been proven that saddam had terrorist training camps in iraq. He rewarded murderers with cash for killing Jewish and other non muslim babies. He not only supported terror and murder financially but physically too. He gave sanctuary to these Godless subhumans that murder innocents for pleasure and blaspheme Gods name by saying they are doing his will. What more do you want? He is our enemy and was dealt with accordingly. If the rest of them don't watch it, they will be next. Fight them over here, or over there, but fight them we must. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x
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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2005, 04:16:37 PM »
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It has been proven that saddam had terrorist training camps in iraq. He rewarded murderers with cash for killing Jewish and other non muslim babies. He not only supported terror and murder financially but physically too. He gave sanctuary to these Godless subhumans that murder innocents for pleasure and blaspheme Gods name by saying they are doing his will....


It satisfies me that he was offering bounty on American lives.  That alone was good enough for me to justify relieving him of the burden of life.

With regard to the others of his unwholesome activities, none that were not directly affecting American interests at home or abroad were the least bit of our government's business. Not the cash, not the Jews, not the babies.  Muslim "godlessness" is irrelevant.

There is a believeable rationale that supports the theory that the activities of those terrorists that he harbored within the borders of Iraq may have been damaging our allies and therefore our interests, but as with the ever elusive WMD, those connections have not been conclusively proven.
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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2005, 05:36:54 PM »
FWEIDNER. The wmds were transported to syria before we attacked.It was well documented with satellite photos, I don't understand why we didn't destroy those convoys, but we only took pictures. I believe that you and I differ only because I believe in preventive maintenence, and you believe that you don't need to fix the roof if it aint raining. Saddam threatened us,constantly. He vowed to get us. He bragged about his vast supply of wmds. He threatened to use them. He did in gulf war #1. He used poison gas, the wind shifted from south, to north, for the 1st time in recorded history, and killed thousands of his own troops. Even the dumcraps said he had em, uhhhh, til the election. I firmly believe in preemptive strikes to stop scum before they can hurt us. We are in a war of good,vs evil, call it a Holy war if you will, but make no mistake,we are in a war. We are not dealing with rational human beings here. We are dealing with a Godless subhuman culture that places NO VALUE on human life. Not yours,mine, theirs, they even send their children to their unholy death. They are doing satans work and should be extereminated like the vermin they are, wherever they are found. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x
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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2005, 03:57:41 AM »
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FWEIDNER. The wmds were transported to syria before we attacked.It was well documented with satellite photos, I don't understand why we didn't destroy those convoys, but we only took pictures. I believe that you and I differ only because I believe in preventive maintenence, and you believe that you don't need to fix the roof if it aint raining. Saddam threatened us,constantly. He vowed to get us. He bragged about his vast supply of wmds. He threatened to use them. He did in gulf war #1. He used poison gas, the wind shifted from south, to north, for the 1st time in recorded history, and killed thousands of his own troops. Even the dumcraps said he had em, uhhhh, til the election. I firmly believe in preemptive strikes to stop scum before they can hurt us. We are in a war of good,vs evil, call it a Holy war if you will, but make no mistake,we are in a war. We are not dealing with rational human beings here. We are dealing with a Godless subhuman culture that places NO VALUE on human life. Not yours,mine, theirs, they even send their children to their unholy death. They are doing satans work and should be extereminated like the vermin they are, wherever they are found. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x




This I mostly agree with. I'd certainly also rather fight them there than here per your previous post. I may have been unclear as I often seem to be.  :-)   The issue I take with our actions in Iraq arent the invason & defeat of Saddam Husein, he had it coming & to me the existance of the WMD is virtually moot, he defied us & the world by not allowing in inspectors or defeating their purposes when he did let them in. We gave him 12 years too much in my opinion on that score & had we reacted promptly to his defiance this would be history at this point in time.

My thing is we defeated them, stopped short of executing Saddam tho which was a big mistake in my view. Now why waste our time (& men) trying to make Iraq something its not. Its not a civilized place & the subhuman trash there dont deserve what we have to offer even if they wanted it & they dont. They are not capable at this time, or even before for that matter of attacking us militarily but only with terrorism. In the future however, after we spend years there bringing them into the 21st century (With our money) they just might.

Leave them in the desert they came from to fix the mess they created. Take our troops & use them in an offensive nature against terrorism worldwide. We are now defending the people we were fighting before. Its a fact that alot of Iraqi troops deserted when they saw our might, not because they want to be our friends in a peacefull world but because they wanted to live to fight another day. They got what they wanted & now we're going to rebuild their homes for them so they have a nice place to return to after killing Americans. They can watch TV services we restored & use the phones we put back to coordinate the attacks against us.
Seems to me a great waste of time & resources that could be used elsewhere.

I stand corrected on his terrorist ties, but in my view that only reinforces my feelings that we shouldnt help rebuild the place physically or politically.
Might take a year or it might take 50 years for us to figure it out but once we do leave they will resume their culture into which democracy just doesnt fit & they will certainly hate us no less.

My thing is I believe thay will hate western society regardless of what we do in Iraq or anywhere else & continue their push to hurt us anyway they can. Seems reasonable to me that it would be harder for them to hurt us if they ride camels & live in tents than if we give them modern technology & rebuild their country.

Are their any islamic nations anywhere that are real democratic societies?
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« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2005, 06:31:18 AM »
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Remember, those puny whimps bombed us FIRST!


No, they didnÂ’t.  Iraq didnÂ’t have anything to do with bombing the U.S.  In fact, we attacked them first when we invaded Iraq during the first gulf war.  U.S. forces have occupied portions of Iraq since 1991.

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You think taking out the World Trade Center was nothing worth losing sleep over?


The attacks on the WTC were a horrific event, but it has been proven and documented by the U.S. State Department that neither Saddam Hussein nor Iraq had anything to do with the attacks on the WTC.

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Where did those terrorist pilots come from?


Saudi Arabia.

We donÂ’t seem to have dropped even a single bomb there.


Mr. Wiedner, we gotta love ya. You always have an educated/reasonable contraditciton to something. This has gotten to confusing for me to post an honest opinion. Only thing I have to say is good for the villagers who killed the insurgents. A small, yet signifigant sign of the Iraqi people fighting for their freedom.  :D
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« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2005, 01:25:13 PM »
I am starting to believe that 'Ol... FWeidner...likes to string us along with a mountain of garbled verbage..( or is it verbal garbage ?)...

    Then when we try to give him some reasoned, logical answers...he sits back and enjoys his little chuckle...

   What say you ?
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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2005, 01:39:18 PM »
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I am starting to believe that 'Ol... FWeidner...likes to string us along with a mountain of garbled verbage..( or is it verbal garbage ?)...

    Then when we try to give him some reasoned, logical answers...he sits back and enjoys his little chuckle...

   What say you ?


I try to take the time to select words that convey exactly what I intend to say, but it may be that others who read those opinions do not "follow" my thought process.

For that I apologize, but for purposes of correctly stating what it is I have to add to the discussion, I'm not sure how I might change the presentation and still deliver a suitable "product".

Sorry if my style of writing is difficult to understand.

It's the only one I've got.

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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2005, 12:56:57 PM »
No need to apologize FW...your style is your own, and it adds great color to the forums..
  You have taken a lot of abuse and still come up smiling...you're a good sport..
 
  There are times when each of us feel that we have "come up short" in explaining ourselves...no need to worry, the repartee we so often share is refreshing...
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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2005, 04:48:06 PM »
FWEIDNER. What IRONGLOW said. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D
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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2005, 02:16:28 PM »
Here is an article from our national newspaper. May be of interest to some.

Iraq's real resistance fights back

On Sunday, the real resistance in Iraq revealed itself. Namely, the resistance of courageous Iraqi men and women to the prevailing terror of Saddam Hussein loyalists and the al-Qaeda-aligned terrorist forces led by the Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. In spite of specific attacks on electoral officials, voting places, candidates and electors, a surprisingly large number of Iraqis went to the polls to exercise their new-found rights.

It is too early to judge the extent of the success of this election. But it does appear to have been successful - measured in terms of voter participation in a climate of extremely high levels of intimidation. There is a possibility that Iraq might become one of the few representative governments in the Middle East - along with Israel and Turkey. The Palestinian Authority is also elected.

It appears that the voter turnout in Iraq was around, or above, that experienced by Western democracies that (unlike Australia) have voluntary voting - that is, between 50 and 60 per cent. In view of the violent lead-up to the election, this is an extraordinary result that stands as a testament to the courage of individual Iraqis - all of whom had to have a finger stained with ink when voting. Their brave collective action demolishes the myth that Arabs are not suitable for, and/or do not want, free elections.

Sadly, not all Iraqis who wanted to vote made it to the ballot booth. The fallen in Iraq's battle for democracy included the three Iraqi election officials who, in mid-December, were dragged from their car and killed on a Baghdad street. Soon after, the body of Wijdan al-Khuzai was found. The 40-year-old candidate, who campaigned for women's rights during Saddam's dictatorship, was tortured before being murdered. Last Sunday's election turnout indicates that, so far at least, those who perished for the cause of free elections in Iraq have not died in vain.

And this is the point. Those who oppose the coalition of the willing in Iraq are under an obligation to state what they would do. Any decision to suddenly withdraw the US-led multinational force from Iraq would hand the nation over to the insurgents, who are loyal to Saddam or al-Zarqawi. Irrespective of the wishes of a majority of Iraqis.

Obviously, the immensely difficult situation in Iraq is not resolved. Despite the election for the national assembly and provincial legislators, full democracy is still some time off. Clearly the insurgency is not over and the attacks on Iraqis and non-Iraqis, civilians and military alike, will continue. But, now, at least Iraq has a chance of establishing a system of representative government.

Opposition to the establishment of democratic forms in Iraq has not only come from insurgents and their supporters within the country. The resistance has received significant support from Western opponents of George Bush, Tony Blair and John Howard.

In Australia the leading barracker for the Iraqi resistance is the Green Left Weekly. On January 28 last year the GLW published an interview between Pip Hinman and the Australian-born left-wing journalist John Pilger. GLW asked: "Do you think the anti-war movement should be supporting Iraq's anti-occupation resistance?" Pilger replied: "Yes, I do. You cannot afford to be choosy. While we abhor and condemn the continuing loss of innocent life in Iraq, we have no choice now but to support the resistance." No ambiguity there.

Then, on November 3 last year, GLW ran a feature story on the Indian writer and leftist activist Arundhati Roy headlined, "Why we should support Iraqi resistance". This followed Roy's appearance on Andrew Denton's ABC TV Enough Rope program, where she argued that we have to "understand that Iraq is engaging on the front lines of empire" and maintained that, consequently, "we have to throw our weight behind the resistance".

Roy was in Australia at the time to receive the (now controversial) Sydney Peace Prize. When it was pointed out that there was a certain incompatibility between supporting the resistance in Iraq and advocating peace, Roy maintained that she was supporting non-violent resistance in Iraq. Yet there was no evidence of a latter-day Mahatma Gandhi in contemporary Iraq.

The fact is that the resistance in Iraq has been busy with the business of murder over the past two years. Its victims include Sergio Vieira de Mello (the United Nations envoy in Iraq at the time of his death), the British-Iraqi aid worker Margaret Hassan and such Iraqi citizens as Wijdan al-Khuzai.

The British leftist Tariq Ali has not only also supported the Iraqi resistance but has also opposed "any and every scheme to get the UN into Iraq as retrospective cover for the invasion". Then there is the American film director Michael Moore, who believes that the insurgents in Iraq are just like the Minutemen who fought the British in the American War of Independence. This overlooks the fact that the Minutemen fought the British Army and did not seek to murder their fellow American citizens. Both Ali and Moore are much admired at the GLW.

In spite of the current difficulties and past mistakes, it is clear where the likes of Bush, Blair and Howard stand. They want to establish a form of representative government in Iraq that will be able to oversee a military and police force capable of providing security and controlling crime. After which, the multinational force can withdraw gradually.

Yet the position of some European critics of the Bush Administration is not obvious. Most notably France. Does President Jacques Chirac really want the US and Britain to withdraw immediately from Iraq and leave the country at the mercy of insurgents? If not, what is France proposing? The UN is so discredited over the oil-for-food scandal that it seems incapable of playing any significant role in Iraq.

Meanwhile, in Australia, the parameters of the debate are clear. The Prime Minister performed well at the Davos economic forum last weekend in stating a clear, albeit unfashionable, position - that Australia continues to support the Bush/Blair stance, which happens to have the support of a majority of Iraqis (including at least some of the Sunni minority). What's more, Labor's leader, Kim Beazley, has junked the ALP's all-troops-out-now policy and acknowledges that the Australian Defence Force has to remain in Iraq for as long as Australia has diplomatic representation in Baghdad.

There is still a long way to go in Iraq. However, President Bush's advocacy of freedom during his second inaugural address seems more realistic today than it did a couple of weeks ago. The television news on Sunday carried the story of an Iraqi woman who said she wished to thank the Prophet Muhammad and President Bush for being granted the right to vote in a free election. She represents the real resistance in Iraq - the soldiers and citizens who have defied the insurgency.
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