Remington 11-87 Problem

[Bullseye]

I had a like new new (shot less than 25 times) 11-87 that I shot a few times with no problems and then sold to my neighbor.  He took it apart and cleaned it and now it has a problem.

If you tighten the forend tight the trigger pulls but the hammer will not fall.  If you loosen the forend to where it is moves around the hammer will fall when you pull the trigger.  I took it apart tonight and could not find a problem.  Does someone know what the problem could be?

Gun Nut (of course I take help from anyone), you have not needed to save the day for me for about 3 years, are you still like the Shell answer man?

[gunnut69]

Now that's a new one for me. Had to think about it for a while. The only thing I can think of is the shell stops are installed wrong and somehow the action bar is interfering with them pushing the elevator up a shade?? If it were just the failure to fire and the cleaning happened I'd bet the neighbor botched the reassembly somehow and the disconnector is binding, it's spring is not attached correctly or something is keeping it from clearing. But the forearm??? has to be the shell stops, and the action bars.. Be sure to check the elevator pivot as the spring there acn be installed incorrectly,,but that really shouldn't involve the forearm being tightened!! arrrrghhh!!  Now i'm gonna have to pull one outta the vault and look to see what else could do that! KEEP US INFORMED!!PLEASE!

Just thought about this some more.. Could the locking bolt cam or the carrier be improperly installed and the barrel when tightened into the receiver by the forearm be causing the carrier/bolt assembly to keep the disconnector out of battery.. Check function of the trigger with the barrel installed and the bolt locked with the forearm removed.

[Bullseye]

I did not have much time tonight to check everything you suggested.

If I take the forearm off, the barrel and bolt push out of the receiver a little.  If you cock the bolt and pull the trigger the gun will fire.

If you push the barrel all the way into the reciever with your hand, then the gun will not fire.

Something in there is not right, just need to figure out what.

I do know that this smelly gas systems reminds me of why I sold him the gun, I love my Benelli's.

[Bullseye]

Worked on this thing again tonight.  Tried to check everything you said gunnut69.  Was was a little confused about a few things because the terms you used did not match the part drawing.  Everything seems fine but something is wrong.

When I put it back together it still did not fire with the forend tight, but the trigger pulls smoothly.  As I start to loosen the forearm one click at a time the trigger will have a catch in it that gets worse with each click and the gun will not fire.  Once you loosen it enough clicks it pulls smoothly and fires.  I would think it would have to have something to do with the disconnector and action bars, but I sure do not know what.

Feeling guilty because my neighbor spent 4 hours helping me look for a deer and has 4 flat tires on his ATV from riding through a nasty field looking and I cannot get his gun fixed.

[Bullseye]

Gunnut69 - Found the problem, but not the cure yet, hope you can help with that.  When you push the barrel all the way back into the receiver it pushes the disconnector down and also lowers the carrier dog.  When the barrel is not back all the way the disconnector is all the way up.  It is pushing the disconnector down far enough that the gun will not fire.

I figured it out by watching what was moving when I pushed the barrel in all the way and then I took the trigger assembly out and moved the disconnector small amounts with my finger and the trigger did the same thing as when loosening the forearm a click at a time as I talked about in the previous post.

Not sure what to do to fix it, any ideas.  If worked fine until taken apart.  I am sure that he did not take any of the trigger assembly apart but I will ask him to make sure.

[Bullseye]

Fixed it, I guess.  I feel stupid but this was the only gas auto I have owned and I never broke it down.

The first night I took it apart, I noticed that the piston was on backward per the instructions.  I turned it around but that did not help.  After looking at it tonight I had the revelation that maybe the o-ring actually had to be pushed onto the curve in the piston rather than up against it.  When I pushed it up on the piston the action bars then did not go far enough in the receiver to push the disconnector down.

I feel stupid, but Remington could be a little more descriptive in the assembly instuctions especially for someone that did not take it apart initially.  The instructions just say push it on the magazine tube.

Thanks for your help Gunnut69.

[gunnut69]

Not sure I was much help but sometimes these things can get a little lonesome.. The 1100(11-87 has the same fire control) is a really reliable weapon and I've used one for way too many years..  Hope you got a really nice deer!