Author Topic: which will dry up first and what will we see next? (Read 1020 times)

willysjeep134 · « **on:** February 03, 2005, 05:55:16 AM »

Hey guys,

I'm sitting here thinking about what milsurp I might want to get. I already have a bubba'd SMLE and a nicely sporterized P17 eddystone. I have noticed that turkish mausers are getting more expensive. Mosin nagants 44's seem to be the most common now. I can't seem to find a full length Mosin Nagany 91 or 91/10 anywhere any more. They all must have gone fast. I am still seeing cheap yugo SKS everywhere, for now.

Which rifles do you think will be drying up soon. I think the Mosin 91/10s have already dried up. Mabey the turkish mausers next?

Also, what milsurp rifles do you think will be new on the market in the coming few years? Mabey a few more nations will get rid of their stockpiled muasers? Mabey a few more inexpensive semiautos from the early years?

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2005, 07:27:08 AM »

Six months ago the Turks were advertised as the last ones now magically we have more. It all depends on what the importers find and bring back from over seas. Whats do you mean by a 91/10?

That is the first time I ever saw that do you mean 91/30? Also there is some 91's still floating around just got to look for them.

willysjeep134 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2005, 07:54:51 AM »

I'm probably wrong with the exact model. I remember reading that the forst mosin nagant 91s were all reworked in 1910 or 1911 and redesignated 91/11 or 91/10's. What ever the model number, I am talking about the really long pre-revolutionary Mosin Nagant rifles. I probably mean 91's. IIRC it had someting to do with a diferent sight or something being installed. Probably just internet scuttlebut.

Seems to me that for a long time the longer the barrel on a mosin nagant the less they sold for. Now it seems like 44s and 31 or 39 or what ever they are sell at about the same prices, right now about $75 at my local Dunhams'.

I think I will try to snap up a turk before they are all gone first. After I get one under my belt mabey I might look for a mosin nagant and then an SKS. That should be a pretty good start to a collection.

simonkenton · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2005, 10:04:36 AM »

You are interested in a Mosin Nagant. Start at the top with a M39. Go to gunsnammo.com for a good deal.

MGMorden · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:05:14 PM »

I'd recommend getting a Schidt Rubin K31. I've got in origional condition: Mosin Nagant M44, a SMLE No4 Mk1, a Schmidt Rubin K31, and a Yugo SKS.

I've also got a sporterized Swede M96 and a partially sporterized Turk Mauser. Out of all my originals, the K31 is my favorite. It's by far the most accurate of my milsurps, and the straight pull design is just more elegant than the others (especailly the MN M44, which though a well built rifle, is kinda clunky to operate). I think that the K31 will skyrocket in price when the run out (which can't be too far away).

I personally want to get ahold of a K98 next, and then maybe a MAS36.

As to new stuff, I'm not sure we'll be seeing anything too extraordinary in the future. If you go too far past the WW2 period weapons then a lot of stuff is getting to be selective fire. I think that the C&R handgun market has a better longterm outlook than rifles. Oh well. I enjoy both of em.

1911crazy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2005, 12:39:40 PM »

There's plenty of mosins and mausers right now. Century arms has a sale on mosins like 1938's, 91/30's, M44's amd mausers like Turk 1893, 1903 & 1938's, German 98's and yugo sks's too. Just checkout Aim Surplus and Samco Global arms to see the latest/hottest military surplus buys. There's yugo m59/66 and m59's and mausers too. Everything is plentiful but I'm sure it won't last long. BigBill

kevin.303 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2005, 05:33:34 PM »

if i was an american i would start stockpiling the $89 No.4's that aimsurplus has. while we're on the subject, i don't suppose any of you guys would be willing to help a poor canuck legally purchase one? :lol:

jh45gun · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2005, 06:10:34 PM »

Quote from: BigBill

There's plenty of mosins and mausers right now. Century arms has a sale on mosins like 1938's, 91/30's, M44's amd mausers like Turk 1893, 1903 & 1938's, German 98's and yugo sks's too. Just checkout Aim Surplus and Samco Global arms to see the latest/hottest military surplus buys. There's yugo m59/66 and m59's and mausers too. Everything is plentiful but I'm sure it won't last long. BigBill

SOG has about the same things as Century and they do not have that Darn 75 dollar minimum limit :x :x :x The other thing Century did is they dropped their free shipping and their prices seem to have gone up quite a bit. I still look at their flyers but seem to buy more from SOG than Century anymore. But then now I am buying just accessories as I cannot justify any other guns at the moment though I have been toying around getting a Swiss K31 may get one for my Bday just for grins.

txpete · « **Reply #8 on:** February 05, 2005, 05:48:17 AM »

I'd say buy a m39 finn now.they didn't make that many and WGA is running low.I think the prices will jump very soon.glad I bought mine when they we cheap.
the 28/30's are already topping the 400.00 mark.
pete

S.S. · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:21:46 AM »

I think the surplus ammo will dry up before the surplus weapons do!
Therefore I am concentrating more on that for now!

1911crazy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:41:35 AM »

Quote from: S.Sumner

I think the surplus ammo will dry up before the surplus weapons do!
Therefore I am concentrating more on that for now!

Buy up all the affordable surplus ammo plus the new ammo on sale too you can find!!!!!!!!! If not we'll pass out the crying towels here in the near future!!!! I remember when the ammo supply ranout before!!!!!! Lightening doesn't have to hit me twice for me to wake up!!!!

1.Buy cheap surplus ammo "stock up"
2.Buy new ammo on clearance or sales "boxer primed FNM"(for reloading) and Berdan primed too on sale.
3. The most important thing is to have a buffer so you don't get caught short so start "RELOADING"!!!!!!!!!!!! The LEE stuff is good and cheap at midwayusa.com BigBill

Plan ahead if an ammo shortage hits it may last a long time again!!!

txpete · « **Reply #11 on:** February 08, 2005, 07:46:47 PM »

I reload for all my milsurps,happiness is controling your own bullet supply :-)
pete

1911crazy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2005, 07:13:40 AM »

With ammo prices at an all time "GREAT BUY" why reload if you shoot alot your tied to the press everyday, I was years ago when ammo was scarce and i was shooting 3 to 4 times a week. Like 400rds of surplus 7.62x54 was over $100 if you could find it.

With ammo prices like this;

Aim surplus;

South African 308 980rds/$147

Yugo 8MM 900rds/$85

Romanian 8MM 380rds/ $29.95

Russian military spec. 7.62x39 700rds/$59.95

Czech silver tip 7.62x54 light ball 780rds/$49.95

Hungarian yellow tip 7.62x54 heavy ball 440rds / $29.95

I just can justify shooting good quality bullets like speer/hornady ect. at targets all day I do use them for sighting in hunting rifles and hunting thats it then its the cheap full metal jacket for plinkin.

I did pick up some swede 6,5 FNM new ammo boxer primed on sale for around $5 a box delivered thats as cheap as buying new cases and i get to shoot it once too. My point is to be "VERY FRUGAL" yet you get to shoot more for less!!!!! BigBill

I watched my buddie shoot his garand at the local range and he shot 5 or 6 boxes of fail safe ammo thats over $100 of ammo at one outing. OUCH!! I took my kids to the range with a buddy and they shot for 2 hours and it cost peanuts like $10 worth of ammo for all of 4 us to shoot.

Years ago when i wasn't frugal I would shoot my 44mag with JHP's at the range yes i was dumb dumb dumb. Now i shoot 44special rounds with lead cast SWC then the last box of ammo is full magnum load just to keep my edge with the higher magnum charge. Another thing i have changed my money wasting ways is to buy the cheaper mag tech bullets from midway for my 44mag their JSP but for magnum loads on paper targets their around $7 for 240gr JSP for 100 rather than the 240gr JHP's are higher priced $15 to $20 for 100. With the 240gr bullet there is no difference between JHP or JSP in shooting paper or the way the gun handles. So for Personal Protection its the JHP's. It makes sense to me or should i say it makes dollars and cents to me!!!! Shoot more, shoot better for less $$$$!!!!! BE FRUGAL!!!!!!

But it is a nice feeling walking away from the range without having to reload leaving the cheap surplus berdan primed cases on the ground.

kevin.303 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2005, 10:09:54 AM »

thats cheap ammo! if you wanted that up here add another $100 to the price!

kombi1976 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2005, 12:27:26 PM »

Don't look at our milsurp rifle and ammo prices here in Oz then. It'd make you cry. :cry:

S.S. · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2005, 07:43:35 AM »

I used to work with some guys that would buy a case
of ammo every paycheck and put it back "FOR LATER"
The last time I saw them was about 1991. The
last time I talked to Brian (one of them) he said he
Had 17,000 rounds of 30-06 for his FN49 and M1
(he had several) rifles and about equal amounts
for his other weapons. They were involved with one of
the largest Militia groups in the Country and asked me to
join on several occasions but I am kinda' leary of such things.
Not that I really see anything wrong with it, I just didn't want
to join. Just a side note, they were all either Ga. National Guardsmen,
Reserves, Police or active military. Kinda' scary that our own military
and Police folks see the need to be involved in such groups!
Like I said, it has been over a decade since I saw them so
God knows what they have now! I just wonder who has room
to store that much stuff!

1911crazy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2005, 10:36:42 AM »

Is there a state or federal law on how much ammo you can have at one time?? I see on the news here a guy had 10 guns with ammo and they said he had an armory!!!! Another guy just had a fire and the fireman were dropping weeapons on a blanket outside which makes me think there is no law about gun storage. I thought they had to be in a gun safe because your responcible for them if they get stolen and crimes are commited with them. I heard once too that smart crooks don't steal guns because if someone comes while there in the middle of stealing them its armed robbery and the'll get more prison time. I'm not sure about the laws but you have to be a philly lawyer to understand them. BigBill

kombi1976 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2005, 11:00:41 AM »

That's really fascinating about the amount of ammo those guys had.
But then I suppose you'd really want a stockpile for an organisation like that.
I guess the question you ask when forming a militia is when would you actually step out and, for want of a better, mobilise.
Here in Australia there are militias, too, and they train and salute and strategise for the day when the Indonesians invade from the north.
Most are pretty racist and more than a little on the lunatic fringe.
They of course didn't hand in their SKSs & light machine guns in the buy back in 1997.
They hid them away so they'd be able to use them when the terrible day comes........ :roll:

But getting back to the ammo thread, here in Australia you can get good deals(comparatively of course) on surplus ammo like the Turkish 8x57JS stuff and cases of .303Brit.
The irony about all of the gun restrictions on semiautos and the like is that so long as you have a licence to own the gun that uses it and the ammo is stored in a secure location away from the firearm you can pretty much have a warehouse full.
For those who aspire to that sort of ammo capabilities all that have to do would surruptitiously buy a few cases here and a few cases there and no-one would be any the wiser.

MGMorden · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2005, 05:08:43 PM »

Quote from: BigBill

I thought they had to be in a gun safe because your responcible for them if they get stolen and crimes are commited with them.

Some states (California for sure. probably others) have laws about firearms storage, and any particular city or county could pass it's own laws, but there's no Federal level law regarding it. A lot of people around here still just use a plain wooden gun rack to store thier guns on.

txpete · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2005, 07:43:09 PM »

BILL I reload as when I go to the range I just don't go blasting I am a accuracy nut.nothing against you guys that shoot milsurp ammo.
I am retired so got the time,for you guys still hitting the 9 to 5 milsurp ammo is good deal if you don't have the time to reload.
pete

S.S. · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2005, 07:02:36 AM »

There are laws concerning the amount of loose powder
you can have but I am not sure if they are state or federal.
Concerning those militia guys I used to know, Some of
them were African American in that group!!!
Kinda' rules out racists or White supremists.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2005, 01:17:40 PM »

Oh, I'm by no means saying that all militias are racist.
Many just seem to be anti-Asian and anti-immigration.
It's a sort of "You can be as Asian as you like so long as you're not in Australia".
We used to have a White Australia Policy in the 50's and 60's(something we're all fairly ashamed of now) that demanded immigrants come from a "white-ish" sort of country(they'd put up with Mediteranean) or could show anglo saxon background.
A lot of our militias would love to go back to that.
The fact that even the Europeans who've lived the longest in Australia have only been here about 7 or 8 generations hasn't really dawned on them.
But then being prejudiced means you can avoid thinking. :?
The difference I can see between militias in the US and in Australia is that Americans seem to believe by forming one they are safeguarding the constitution......at least that's what it appears to be.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
There's more than a little government conspiracy thinking & paranoia(low grade or higher)behind both militia rationales.

Bill T · « **Reply #22 on:** March 06, 2005, 08:30:04 AM »

I just bought 2 new Mausers from Mitchell's last week, and talked to the guy for a while. He told me they won't be offering those rifles too much longer. Their supply is getting low, especially on the higher grade guns. I think there will always be "fencepost" milsurps out there, but the really nice stuff won't last forever. Neither will the price. Bill T.